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⌈ Secret Post #4064 ⌋

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She doesn't have to be genetically related. If she was adopted the way Leia is an Organa, I'd be cool with that. I think it would be a cop-out to have them adopt her now though. I want her to be part of this family because this family is the one I am invested in as a long-time fan.

And I disagree with your first sentence. I don't see her as continuing the story of the Skywalkers at all. The whole point of Rey Random is that she's doing her own story. She's rejected Luke as a teacher. Anakin is nothing to her. Sadly, now that Carrie Fisher is gone, there's not much in that direction either, and I would argue Leia's legacy is in Poe. The Skywalkers are being brushed away. Their legacy is Kylo Ren, which sucks. I want to see more of this crazy family. Rey is not connected to them. If she kills Kylo, then she wipes out the whole family to make way for her story now, and it's got nothing to do with the characters that were in the OT or PT. If that's the case, she should have her own movie and not have it look like it was supposed to be connected to the Skywalkers.

She's rejected Luke as a teacher

I really don't think that this is true. I definitely think that Rey is still walking in Luke's shoes and is definitely part of his legacy. I wouldn't say that Luke rejected Yoda as a teacher, either.

I disagree. Luke didn't reject Obi-Wan or Yoda. We see in TLJ that he still listens to Yoda. In RoTJ, he still sought guidance from Yoda and Obi-Wan, and clearly still valued their advice even if he didn't agree with it.

But I definitely felt that Rey rejected what Luke was doing when she went after Kylo and stole the books. And that's part of the narrative around Rey Random that I've encountered - that she's going to make a new Order that has nothing to do with the Jedi and the old ways. She's moved beyond Luke. She's going to fix everything he did wrong.

First of all, if flying off the handle, leaving your mentor behind, and putting yourself into a dangerous situation because you believe that a Dark Side force user can still be saved isn't following in Luke skywalker's legacy, I don't know what is.

Second: I do think that Rey is rejecting part of the legacy of the Jedi Order, especially the institutional part of it. I don't think she's necessarily wrong to do so - we know, after all, that the prequel-era Jedi Order was ridiculously flawed. I do think that she's trying to move beyond Luke and fix what he did wrong. I think Luke also tried to move beyond his predecessors and fix what they did wrong. I think that's generally what people are supposed to do with the past: take what's been done, and build on it, and try and do better. That doesn't mean that you're rejecting the past. That also doesn't mean that Rey is going to succeed - any more than Luke did - because, like Luke, she's still a human being.

But, again: I don't think any of that amounts to rejecting Luke or his legacy. It's trying to move forward with and from that legacy.

For your first point, two characters behaving in similar fashion in one specific instance doesn't connect them. She isn't flying off the handle because she learned that from Luke, and I certainly didn't see her doing it in a way that was enough like him to make me think she was acting like him.

Your second point, I also don't think she's wrong to reject something of the past but the way the movie went about it made it feel that she was rejecting Luke himself. She's not learning anything form him except that he failed. She didn't learn anything about his successes. Whatever she does from here on, it's on her. She has nothing to connect her to Luke. She's going to learn how to be a Jedi from a book.

I certainly didn't see her doing it in a way that was enough like him to make me think she was acting like him.

It seemed to me like almost everything that she did in the entire movie was extremely Luke-like and Luke-ish, so I guess agree to disagree there.

Your second point, I also don't think she's wrong to reject something of the past but the way the movie went about it made it feel that she was rejecting Luke himself. She's not learning anything form him except that he failed. She didn't learn anything about his successes. Whatever she does from here on, it's on her. She has nothing to connect her to Luke. She's going to learn how to be a Jedi from a book.

I don't agree that she has to learn how to be a Jedi from a book. She still has her experience of Luke and the lessons from him and his example. And I think what's really important there is the fact that she had the chance to know him as a person. Rather than relying on this abstract legend of Luke Skywalker and the Jedi, she was able to see who he was and get a sense of his faults and flaws and also his strengths and wisdom. Even if they didn't necessarily see eye to eye. I just don't agree that she's not learning anything from him except that he failed. It's no more true for Rey than it was for Luke and Obi-Wan.

For your second, that's my point. She knew him as a person and rejected him.

I don't think that she did reject him. Definitely not just because she left against his wishes (just like Luke did with Yoda).

I never said it was because she left against his wishes. It was how everything played out. It clearly felt like a rejection. She was disappointed in him. I never got that kind of feeling with the Yoda/Obi-Wan/Luke relationships. I never felt that Luke rejected them. I very much feel that she rejected Luke.

NAYRT -- Luke chose to go against Yoda's wishes, but he very obviously respected Yoda and took his lessons to heart. When he leaves, he promises to return and finish his training.

Now compare that to how Rey and Luke parted.

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