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⌈ Secret Post #4065 ⌋

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[Grace and Frankie]

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[Gillian Anderson]

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[Actress Martha Higareda as Kristin Ortega in Altered Carbon]

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[Supernatural S01E09, "Home"]

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[FX's Legion]

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[Jane Austen, Northanger Abbey]

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[The Shape of Water; linked at OPs request, it's a dildo]

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07. https://i.imgur.com/My0vLSm.png
[Jane Austen, Northanger Abbey]

I feel the same when it comes to Sam in LOTR. I mean, if you want to cast Sam with a POC actor, that's cool. It's just not in the text.

Ugh, are people acting like Sam is supposed to be a POC now?

But Sam is basically Frodo's servant, so you'd think that making him a POC would make LotR MORE problematic?

(There I go again, trying to apply logic to Tumblr.)

Yeah.

http://muchymozzarella.tumblr.com/post/151551490154/sam-gamgees-brown-hands#.WotxWihy_lI

It's kind of hilarious that they took something that was obviously meant to be "he's a character that spends a lot of time outside working" to mean "omg you guys he's black!".

I'm a POC and I find this a little cringey because I don't really see the need to prove that a character is supposed to be non-white to justify diverse casting. Especially if the "proof" is kind of flimsy at best.

Same!

Also, it makes me wonder how widely read people making these claims are. The number of books I've read (and taking into account the time, place and context of these books, and believe me the author tends to explicitly state if someone is a POC, it tends to be a bit of a scandal depending on the context) where the author states "brown" and means tan, especially if the person works outside, is pretty big. People don't seem to put in the context:
1848 women inside with Lily white cream colored skin vs a tan, why yes, that tan looks brown in comparison to the pallor of the other character's skin. Authors in particular contexts (read: not in the present time) were explicit in stating things like that. In my experience anyway (and yes, I would get tripped up at first like what?! One of us?!, but then I kept reading and it became clear I was wrong. In my head I could do what I wanted of course, but that didn't change the what the author wrote.).

I really wish people would stop trying to insist "brown skin" means POC, especially in older books. Ever heard of a tan? Jeez.

I don't mind casting POC, either. Or POC headcanons. I just don't like the people who insist it's canon in the books.

Particularly since there are other examples in Austen's work where she makes it clear that "brown skin" is referring to skin darkening due to sun exposure:

Their visit did not continue long after the question and answer above mentioned; and while Mr. Darcy was attending them to their carriage Miss Bingley was venting her feelings in criticisms on Elizabeth’s person, behaviour, and dress. But Georgiana would not join her. Her brother’s recommendation was enough to ensure her favour; his judgement could not err. And he had spoken in such terms of Elizabeth as to leave Georgiana without the power of finding her otherwise than lovely and amiable. When Darcy returned to the saloon, Miss Bingley could not help repeating to him some part of what she had been saying to his sister.

“How very ill Miss Eliza Bennet looks this morning, Mr. Darcy,” she cried; “I never in my life saw anyone so much altered as she is since the winter. She is grown so brown and coarse! Louisa and I were agreeing that we should not have known her again.”

However little Mr. Darcy might have liked such an address, he contented himself with coolly replying that he perceived no other alteration than her being rather tanned, no miraculous consequence of travelling in the summer.

I think you're taking posts like this more literally than they need to be taken or are supposed to be taken

The post OP refers to seems fairly succinct. What do you think it means?

I think it's said with a certain degree of humor or irony, and is less a serious claim about the textual intent of Jane Austen.

Have you, like

ever been to tumblr

like ever

I mean I enjoy tumblr in many ways but the batshit is Real when it comes to projecting Special Diversity (head)canon onto their faves

nayrt but yes, exactly. I'm puzzled that ayrt thinks the likeliest explanation is that OP is misinterpreting a post about how Henry Tilney isn't white, as if Tumblr isn't very well known for people theorizing about various characters being canoncially POC by citing quotes.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-02-20 01:15 (UTC) - Expand

(Anonymous) - 2018-02-20 01:34 (UTC) - Expand

They still believe the myth that Beethoven was black (or the Mozart thing based on that silly ad).

That's possible, yes. I'm not sure how you can determine that is definitely the case here, or say for certain that OP is misinterpreting the post, however.

OK.

(Anonymous) - 2018-02-20 01:11 (UTC) - Expand

That people who create posts like that often reply flippantly to critics doesn't mean they aren't serious posts.

To some extent. I mean, it's not really either - it's not a joke but neither is it meant to be taken seriously. It's sort of in-between and complicated and slangy. And has to be taken in that light.

Or they could express themselves clearly instead of throwing out something that they know will cause confusion and then acting defensive or smug when some people predictably don't get the not-joke.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-02-20 00:55 (UTC) - Expand

I think you're full of shit.

YOU'RE full of shit! YOU'RE full of shit! THIS WHOLE TRIAL is full of shit!

Oh yeah, I can't stand this BS either. :/

Okay but do they actually post this daily reminder every day? Probably not. Stick to your guns people!