[ SECRET POST #4065 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4065 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Grace and Frankie]


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03.
[Gillian Anderson]


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04.
[Actress Martha Higareda as Kristin Ortega in Altered Carbon]


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05.
[Supernatural S01E09, "Home"]


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06.
[FX's Legion]


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07.
[Jane Austen, Northanger Abbey]


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08. https://i.imgur.com/846oK7X.png
[The Shape of Water; linked at OPs request, it's a dildo]











Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 34 secrets from Secret Submission Post #582.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You can't "lose" shipping, OP. No one is ever obligated to like or appreciate a ship, regardless if it is canon. Fandom is always going to be about expressing opinions, and that's okay. Rejecting that is also toxic.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree in a larger sense that there's no winning in shipping. However, I have also encountered fans who are so insistent that their ships be canon that they've set up a win/loss scenario for themselves. In that case, they did lose by their own rules.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t have issues with people not liking the ship - only people attacking, generalizing, and harassing shippers. And that happens a lot.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I totally understand where you're coming from and I'm sorry for what a shitshow the comments for your secret have become.

Personally, I've had to just ditch the Discourse entirely. I'm not going to change any antis' minds and I'd rather have fun with my OTP than spend time arguing for the forty millionth time that Reylo is not abusive. There's so much new fanfic that I already don't have time to read!

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much this. Besides very few people would ever take such advice. If they did, we wouldn’t have shipping wars/discourse/slap fights decades later!

Also, if it’s a particularly hated ship, of course it being canon or acknowledged or whatever would just increase the discourse. Lots of people’s responses to shit they hate is to scream louder, not quieter.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if your argument is that a particular ship is bad because canon doesn't support it and/or canon portrays the ship as some flavor of toxic or abusive or imbalanced, then new canon comes out that supports or canonizes the ship and/or doesn't portray it as toxic or abusive or imbalanced, I think you could argue that you've "lost" the ship war.

[(Anonymous)]

OP is expressing an opinion, so by your own logic, that's okay. Not toxic.

[(Anonymous)]

Clearly, there has to be some kind of distinction between opinions and meta-opinions we're working with here.

[(Anonymous)]

Enlighten me on that distinction.

[(Anonymous)]

In order for us to know whether or not it's appropriate to reject opinions or whether it's toxic to do so, we have to be able to discuss our opinions about when it's appropriate to reject opinions and when it's toxic, and be able to dismiss some of those opinions and endorse others.

Otherwise there would be sheer chaos.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll take false equivalency for 500!