[ SECRET POST #4070 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4070 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Futurama]


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[Cheers]


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[Classic Hollywood cinema]


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[Xena: Warrior Princess]


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[Altered Carbon, Kristin Ortega]


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[Game of Thrones/ASOIAF (OP's note: more for the books, but the art was too pretty not to use)]











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Comments

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Yeah, that's not what happened.

Wikipedia says Goblin Emperor won the Locus Fantasy and was nominated for a Hugo, Nebula, and WFA. So let's talk this out:

Locus Fantasy: It's a juried award from a magazine.

Hugo: This has been the award most vulnerable to gaming by anyone able to spend a small sum of cash for an absentee Worldcon ballot. It's possible that Goblin Emperor benefited from a Puppy backlash here.

Nebula: The Nebulas are nominated and voted on by the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America (SFWA). To start with, the timing is off because Nebula nominations run Nov 15 - Feb 15 and Torgensen announced his Puppy slate Feb 1. There's an argument to be made that the SFWA is anti-puppy due to professional fuckery by Teddy Beale and Wright rage-quitting, but there were dozens of non-puppy works to choose from that year.

World Fantasy Award: This seems to be a more selective group than Worldcon, and hasn't been actively gamed yet.

While anti-puppy sentiment may have explained the Hugo nomination, it's dubious regarding the Nebula or WFA nominations, and probably irrelevant to the Locus.

Nor was it the "de facto" anti-puppy alternative given dozens of other books published the same year: Three-Body Problem, Ancillary Sword, Annihilation, The Girl in the Road, My Real Children, and Lagoon.

I suspect big factors in its nomination include:

1. not grimdark
2. not obviously part of a trilogy or more
3. a nice coming-of-age character.

[kaffy_r]

Thanks - this is actually really helpful.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

FYI: Beale got kicked out of SFWA for using the SFWA announcement twitter to direct a racial slur at Nora Jemisin. That happened a few years before the Puppies got rolling.

[kaffy_r]

Yeah, that I'd heard of, and gagged about. I followed much of the craziness; it's been a long time since I voted in the Hugos, but someone gaming the system in my original fandom (SF fandom FTW!) really pissed me off. You gave me a good calendrical (I know it's not a word, but I declare it to be, nonetheless) reason for not assuming that TGE was some sort of protest win, rather than an appreciation of its own characteristics.