[ SECRET POST #4071 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4071 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Star Trek TNG

[soldatsasha]

This is p much the question you have to ask about any futuristic economy, isnt it? Like, the universal living wage ideas getting thrown around.

Who will choose to be a janitor? A septic tank cleaner? A roofer?

We know the value of their labor in our current society (sometimes a LOT, sometimes barely min wage). People do tjose jobs bc they get paid, not bc its so much fun.

I'm on my third 20 hr shift this weekend bc thats the kind of labor my job requires. Who the fuck would do this for free??? Or rather, for the "satisfaction" or "fulfilment" it might bring? Fucking nobody.

I love the idea of the star trek utopian future, but i just dk how tf it would work.

Re: Star Trek TNG

[(Anonymous)]

You build septic tanks that clean themselves and roofs that clean themselves, and everyone can have them, because the Federation in Star Trek is pretty much post-scarcity.

Obviously, Star Trek never really thinks about the implications of being a post-scarcity economy, because Star Trek stories mostly aren't about that. But, like, in general, I would say that the kinds of questions that you're asking just aren't that difficult to answer under those specific conditions.

Re: Star Trek TNG

[soldatsasha]

My problem with that being the answer ("things that magically maintain themselves" I mean) is that it makes the whole 'verse incredibly inconsistent. It's a world with replicators and self-cleaning toilets, but we see that the world still needs engineers and pilots and linguists and doctors and stuff.

Like, in the real world we're closer to fully automated surgery (with micro robots and lasers and AI-driven scalpels) than we are to self-tiling roofs. We can store the entire knowledge of the human race in a device smaller than the palm of our hand, but our floors don't mop themselves.

Obviously a lot of the inconsistencies in the star trek tech are due to the fact that it came out so long ago and they couldn't possibly have predicted what technologies were likely to take off. But to me it's just hard to buy into the fiction when there's so much contradictory stuff. Because really, who would want to be a waiter? And if you need engineers and pilots and doctors, then they probably still need septic tank workers, too.

Re: Star Trek TNG

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I assume that they mostly have waiters because a given story needed a waiter, and the actual details of what a post-scarcity economy fall into the category of "science-fiction things Trek writers try actively not to think about or engage with", like the mechanics of FTL travel, or the idea of artificial intelligence (except for Data).