[ SECRET POST #555 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #555 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

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[postal152.livejournal.com]

163. Stephen Fry is God. But you'll find someone, seriously - you never know when you might meet someone great. Hey, it could be in the next five minutes! Go outside and wait, maybe. :]

165. Yeah... um... *awkward turtle.* I felt awkward as well. Awkward for Rose, awkward for the Doctor, and awkward for the Doctor clone. I know Rose and Doctor clone seemed all like "omg ok I love you" but I thought it was weird how the Doctor just decided Rose would keep him, like a pet. *cough*Like he wanted to do with the Master*cough*. Unsettling just a touch.

166. I didn't like the ending, in my mind it didn't even happen, but I think sometimes people mistake a heartbreaking ending for a "bad" one. Like Rose's first ending? I thought it was fantastic. Not happy or something I wanted to happen to her, but poignant and heart-wrenching (yeah, Doc/Master shipper admits she found Doomsday moving, grargh). I think people forget that these characters aren't real people. I hate what happened to Donna - so much that it made me really, really sad, and I won't be forgetting it anytime soon. That's what a good ending is to me - one that affects you. *shrug*

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[xanykaos.livejournal.com]

166. ILU. Though I won't deny, I'm actually angry about what happened with Donna, but you're right. In a way, it probably makes RTD a better storyteller, that he can go and make us have such a furious reaction to it that isn't based on shipping or anything. I mean, it sucks that Donna's not going to be around, and it's a bit sick that the Doctor kind of mind-raped her, but it's absolutely and truly heartbreaking that Donna came out of medocrity and became an amazing person who saved lives and worlds, who (should've known, darnit, I got sick of hearing her say it after everything) was more than just a temp, and who was generally a better person for the experience...to have that all ripped away from her with nothing. Out of all the Doctor's companions, I think only two have ever been left with absolutely nothing of their time with him (Jamie and Zoe) and that was equally heartbreaking.


Heh. Awkward turtle indeed. And yeah, just a bit creepy, passing off people like that, even if they are clones of yourself.

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[postal152.livejournal.com]

Ack, so glad someone agrees! I mean, I'm not really sure what fandom expected - if everyone lived happily ever after, it would be awfully Disney, wouldn't it? And a bit boring. Haha, then of course people would complain about *that,* and how it's turning into a sappy kids show. I guess that's the bottom line: fandom always needs something to whine about. :P

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[xanykaos.livejournal.com]

Reminds me of a great essay I saw awhile back about how all Star Wars fans really hate Star Wars. In all seriousness, and as a Star Wars fan, I have to say that it was completely correct. Without griping, what's fandom to do? We'd have to be...happy!

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[postal152.livejournal.com]

Reminds me of a great essay I saw awhile back about how all Star Wars fans really hate Star Wars.

That's a really interesting thought. Fandom is so silly sometimes.

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[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

...I just don't know what to say to this comment. Everything you just said here is a reason to think the ending was actually terrible.

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[xanykaos.livejournal.com]

The ending is tragic. That doesn't actually make it terrible. I mean, I'm still mad about it. But it's more poignant. Sometimes, the Doctor can't save everyone, he can't make people better. Sometimes he fails, sometimes it's all for nothing. It's realistic, I guess. It's depressing.


.... and it had better get retconned.

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[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

It was terrible because it undermined the Doctor as a character and the show thematically.

"The man that makes people better," is so pathetically desperate to escape his own guilt that he'll undo all the good he did his latest companion just to avoid having her death on his conscience. If he didn't have 45 years of canon to back him up as a hero, that would have made him a despicable character. He still is now, for some people.

"It made me cry," != good.

166 OP

[(Anonymous)]

I would have loved something heartbreaking, but this made me angry. I found Doomsday moving as well (even though I don't ship actively). I will not forget this for a long time.

Re: 166 OP

[postal152.livejournal.com]

What would you have rathered, then? :/

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[mareeana.livejournal.com]

166. That's what a good ending is to me - one that affects you.
YES! Exactly. I was heartbroken for days, literally, which is, I admit, a tad sad, but that's kind of I wanted from Donna's departure. I knew it was happening to I wanted it to make me cry. And it did.

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[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

166. The ending WAS bad. It undermined the Doctor as a character. He's supposed to be the good guy; I don't call what he did the actions of an admirable character. It's really only forgivable because of his history and how much he's already lost; it's clear he can no longer bear to let anyone die. If the Doctor didn't have 45 years of canon already, this would have made him...if not a villain, then certainly NOT a hero.

And before you ask, yes, he should have let her die. It would have been sad, but it WOULDN'T have been, as someone already said, sick.