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[ SECRET POST #557 ]

⌈ Secret Post #557 ⌋

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Slytherfen is a derogatory word for a fan of the Slytherin house. Yes, people take fandom so seriously as to call other people in fandom names just due to liking a character. As for the secret, it was concerning material in a person's mostly flocked journal that's been spread around and used for continual insults from a place called fandom wank.

Slytherfen is a derogatory word for a fan of the Slytherin house.

No, it's a label she gave herself.

it was concerning material in a person's mostly flocked journal that's been spread around and used for continual insults from a place called fandom wank.

Funny, I could have sworn it was public comments she left on fandom_wank about her sexual experiences.

Do carry on. You're obviously up on all the details.

No, it's a label she gave herself.

I'd like proof of that.

Funny, I could have sworn it was public comments she left on fandom_wank about her sexual experiences.

Again, proof. I'm a member of fandom wank and I've never seen any such comments.

Do carry on. You're obviously up on all the details.

So let's see you actually contradicting me with factual details instead of what you've pulled out of your ass.

I'd like proof of that.

I'm not bothering with links to that, since she says she used to use it downthread. I assume you'll take that as proof? I didn't say she invented the term, I said she labeled herself as one, and she did.

Again, proof. I'm a member of fandom wank and I've never seen any such comments.

http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/187049.html?thread=7688873#t7688873
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/600362.html?thread=52384042#t52384042
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/510199.html?thread=40656119#t40656119
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/402667.html?thread=30104043#t30104043

And scroll on down to see the comments on wankitywank when she left. Start with shoiryu.

http://www.journalfen.net/community/wankitywank/3536.html

Oh, FFS. I see several conversations that had more people than Ataniell discussing that sort of shit. The way it's been brought up, I expected graphs and charts with MASSIVE gifs and jpgs that should never be shown to anyone.

FW, you suck at bringing the laughs and the porn.

well, she DID stand in the bar at last year's Winchestercon and literally start yelling about her vagina.

I'm just sayin', that's pretty special.

Just like Cassandra Claire? Oh, wait.

Michela? Is that you?

If you're talking about those comments I made in a discussion of whether or not a person could actually do something sexually (I think it had to do with anal sex but I'm not sure), I think that was four years ago. I haven't left a plague of them all over LJ, or there would be more people who know what you think you're talking about. As with many things on FW it's a legend that's grown in the telling. If you hate me for bringing up my sexual experiences in discussions of whether or not a sexual act is possible or whether women can experience certain sensations, I hope you hate Minotaur too, because he certainly thinks his experiences are the world's experiences. Also, I wasn't the only one "oversharing" in that discussion. NOT that I care what you lot think.

I do not think my experiences are the world's experiences or that anyone else's are either but I have mentioned my personal experiences in terms of why I believe some of the things that I do. If you dislike that aspect of my commentary, just don't read me. And if someone's wondering if something's possible and I DID IT, why should I not tell them so? Jeez.

I'm not sure who coined the word Slytherfan/Slytherfen. I used to use it because it initially just referred to people who preferred Slytherin over Gryffindor, but I'm pretty sure I heard it somewhere else. It has become a derogatory term largely because of the things people say on F_W.

As for flocked comments, someone on this community anonymously did actually admit to being on my friendslist just so they could snigger over stuff I wrote behind flock and share it with friends who love F_W. I've known for a while that someone is doing this and if I ever find out who it is I'm not going to keep it a secret, so I advise them to GTFO my flist before I find out.

(1) I have made exactly three comments to this post: this one, the one you're responding to, and the one in reply to the anon above giving the requested links. I did not post this secret. I laughed about as much at the part calling Michela creepy as the reference to you.

(2) I do not hate you. I do not read your journal. I am not on your friendslist. I do see your comments from time to time on other posts, including those on fandom!secrets, which I read intermittently. My intermittent reading of this community is why I am here.

(3) As MCity ("Please, no furbashing") can testify, you don't need to do something a lot to make a name for yourself. You need to do it a couple of times and get noticed. You posted content that some people considered oversharing a few times, and it got noticed-- probably partially due to the content itself, and partially due to the fact that it was discussion (and not mockery of the wank). Other people might have done the same thing, but, for whatever reason, it didn't get picked up on. You were the one who got saddled with the with the label of "overshare", and, yes, it grows in the telling. What set it off was public comments on fandom_wank, not content from your locked posts. This is the substance of my response to the anon above. I'm not saying that the claim is right or wrong, or a fair characterization. I'm correcting an inaccuracy in how it originated. That's it.

(4) I didn't say you coined the term "Slytherfen." I said you adopted the label, which you did. I also disagreed with the implication that it was invented to make fun of people who liked Slytherin house. It may have been given a derogatory spin later by some people, but some fans of Slytherin originally used the term themselves.

(5) I have no idea if people are leaking your locked content; it's never been leaked to me. In fact, I've never seen anyone hinting at having access to it outside the vague anon comments here. I assumed they were lying purely to piss you off. If your content is being leaked, however, and you find who's doing it, I hope you eviscerate them. I'll even help. Michela may think that anything ever mentioned in a friendslocked post is fair game to post anywhere she likes; I don't agree.

I'd love to be able to assume that in fact, it's lies and they're just trying to get my goat, but there are things I've said behind friendslock that I know I didn't tell the people I saw repeating them. :/

I wish you the best of luck with getting them off your friendslist. If I ever happen to discover who's responsible, I'll let you know.

(My fourth comment, and I'm bowing out of this discussion here.)

Slytherfen is a derogatory word for a fan of the Slytherin house.

No.

Yes, people take fandom so seriously as to call other people in fandom names just due to liking a character.

Like Gryffindorks. Or Harmoanians. Or Mo'rons. But not Slytherfen, because like the nonny said that's a popular term that many Slytherin fans took on.

As for the secret, it was concerning material in a person's mostly flocked journal that's been spread around and used for continual insults from a place called fandom wank.

If I wanted to bother, I'm pretty sure I can bring up links where she mentioned here on F!S that FW hated her because of being friends with Heidi8 and something about Michela Ecks. I remember because it made me laugh. The oversharing was done on FW, and she was wanked for the Slytherfen apologist thing years ago on FW. So no, there is no breach in flock of any kind.

Not the same anon as above but if the oversharing was done when she was on Fandom Wank and she's already stated that she left the place and the Slytherfen thing was years ago, then why are people from FW harping on her still? Unless you just had to do so because she mentioned FW on F!S awhile ago and if that's true then what? She's never allowed to mention FW again otherwise you people will bring up grudges from years ago?

why are people from FW harping on her still?

If you mean the secret-maker, I imagine it's because she's mentioned FW quite a bit here, and if you mean FW in general, I imagine it's also because she mentions FW in other comments in other discussion when it often has no bearing on the subject at hand. And no, we're not really harping on her - the secret, yeah, I guess - but FW doesn't really "harp" on her. We mock her, we laugh at her, because she's funny.

because she mentioned FW on F!S awhile ago and if that's true then what? She's never allowed to mention FW again otherwise you people will bring up grudges from years ago?

It's impossible to answer your question because, uh, on Ataniell's side the grudge has obviously never gone away. She brings the grudge and all the details up quite often. Soooo... yeah, a secret was made. On a comm unaffiliated with FW and nobody even knows if that secret maker is a member of FW or lurker or what. I think you're blowing this way out of proportion.

You do show up awefully quickly when her name is mentioned, though. One might almost think you've been sitting on your edges waiting for it.

Wait, me? Or FW in general? What?

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Or, they could be like me, and read both comms. Hell, I'm not even a regular at f_w - I've maybe posted half a dozen times or something, and never a main post - just a reply. That doesn't mean that I don't follow both and enjoy both.

Yes but so what if she mentioned FW? I refuse to believe that a community as massive and popular as that will be offended if one single, solitary person brings it up in a negative way. The only person Ataniell has brought up in FW negatively is Mechela or Mikela or Michellin or whatever the hell her name is and it seems FW doesn't really care about her. If Ataniell isn't bringing up people's names, then why are so many people jumping on this secret's bandwagon which you just admitted is harping on her?

How about ignoring her? If she holds a grudge, so be it. She's just one person. The continual dogpile and that one idiot commenter calling her a petfucker is absolutely ridiculous and just shows the immaturity of the few people from FW who are here.

So she insults a community. Does that mean she deserves to be called a petfucker? Is that not blowing things way out of proportion?

If Ataniell isn't bringing up people's names, then why are so many people jumping on this secret's bandwagon which you just admitted is harping on her?

Because most of what she says to insult FW is to insult the members as well. I mean, I would agree with you and say that most of us that "bandwagoning" are not actually offended by what she says about our characters and personalities, but instead are mostly frustrated with her epic Not Getting It as to why FW "dislikes" her. Also, bored. But I will admit I love FW defensively, and that I see no reason why I shouldn't respond to her grudgy comments, or any of her comments. I don't even understand why "she's just one person" is a valid argument.

There's no continual dogpile. 'Petfucker' is a reference to a wank, and it's funny, and it seems she got that.

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Because, like FPB, she's become a shorthand fandom joke.

But no one's laughing except for those on FW. And FW doesn't represent any one entire fandom.

The joke has migrated out from there, I think. And do you not recognize the use of 'fandom' in the general sense?

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If I wanted to bother, I'm pretty sure I can bring up links where she mentioned here on F!S that FW hated her because of being friends with Heidi8 and something about Michela Ecks.

You probably could and I don't deny that I've said that part of F_W's problem with me has to do with them. I could also probably find the comment where someone (who does not represent F_W--does anyone--but certainly someone who posts there a lot) flat out told me that a lot of people on F_W do hate me because of my friends.

I was a Slytherin "apologist" (man, I didn't know this was a religion) up till 2005 based on what was written in the first five books; also I was criticised for saying that there were important differences between magickal blood prejudice and racism which made it STILL WRONG, but not the same kind of bigotry. As far as the books existed up to that point I still don't think I was wrong but who cares? Is fictional bigotry against people who don't even exist serious business? I stopped caring about Harry Potter about three months after HBP came out. Yes, we called ourselves Slytherfen, it became derogatory after it was used that way on F_W, and...who cares?

I always thought that Rowling was going to bring the four houses together again and explain the why of Voldemort's rise, and it was pretty clear by the end of HBP that that was not where she was going when she made Tom Riddle a genetic sociopath. Since Slytherin was my main interest, that was all she wrote for me and HP (I have a game that used to be an HP RPG, but is now multifandom and in no way canon--if you think that counts fine but I don't).

But that's when I told F_W off for harassing the Harmony fans (no, I'm not one of them--I wrote H/G and H/D), and that's when F_W really went off on me. Those sex comments were made a year or so before that.

Anyhow: WHATEVER. I don't like F_W, I think they are nasty, mean, unpleasant people in general, there are a few exceptions but there always are. I don't actually care why they don't like me. I would not approve of what they do if they thought I was an angel from heaven and unicorns danced in my shadows. If the sex comments I made in 2004 were the actual reason they hate my guts, I'd think they'd be over it. But I don't actually care. I disapprove of what they do regardless of their opinions about me. They'd still be the people who screwed over bunches of other people I know.

I would believe your "WHATEVER. I don't like F_W, I think they are nasty, mean, unpleasant people in general, there are a few exceptions but there always are. I don't actually care why they don't like me" if you didn't bring us up all the time, often explained to others why FW doesn't like you, pre-empted that statement with a very long explanation of everything that contradicts it, and then followed it with more sentences proving that you really do care.

I could also probably find the comment where someone (who does not represent F_W--does anyone--but certainly someone who posts there a lot) flat out told me that a lot of people on F_W do hate me because of my friends.

Go ahead, man, I think it will make me lol.

Honestly, I can't really remember if it was Harmony or Slytherfen wank or Death Eater wank or what that made you flounce, but you were mocked on FW before that, and after, and *throws up hands* that's what FW does. And I can't stop you from hating FW, but you've got one serious persecution complex. When have you been wanked recently? Yet you bring us up a lot in F!S, and in other places. I doubt "FW hates your guts" - we just find you crazy and hilarious.

Well, see, we're Satan.

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