[ SECRET POST #4097 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4097 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Steven Universe]


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06. [WARNING for possible discussion of non-con and gore/body mutilation]

















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[fscom]

03. https://i.imgur.com/WUTrbtO.png
[Steven Universe]

Transcript by OP

[fscom]

I'm not a part of the fandom, but I've been a fan of this show since it came out. I think there's been a recent outlash of
hate towards this show that feels unwarranted.

Sure, I don't mind anyone complaining about the show's fandom, which got hit the hardest by modern fandom's strange purity brigade and witchhunts,
because I believe that shit needs to be put down.

However, I take issue with people who keep trashing on
the show itself, in a way that's overly negative and way
too bitter. When they do that that it seems more than
likely haven't watched the show itself. It's alright to be against anything popular that you don't want anything to do with because of oversaturation (but lol if you feel that way about this show, because it's never on TV
anymore... ;_;>, or if you watched it and found it wasn't really jamming with your tastes.

...But I think that calling this show "the worst on television" is way too edgy, and console war-ish. People seem to hate the show for being a popular
target, which I think is a shame because it's done a lot of groundbreaking stuff for U.S. animation and TV in general. Of all the shows to trash on,
why this one? Even from an outsider's POV, it's very artistic and nice.

ok that was my secret, thank you for reading, going to go back to my room and cry since Steven Universe is being strangled to death by cartoon network as is, bye!!!

[morieris]

I saw someone's comment on tumblr that they were more surprised that SU was still going than the fact that certain events were finally happening.

It had skipped my mind too.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, especially when people post these hot takes about how Houseki no Kuni (that anime with the jewel people) is sooooo much better than that steaming pile of shit Steven Universe.

Like... they're both good?? Can't we like both?? Or do we have to despise SU now that it's not the hottest fandom anymore. What is wrong with people.

[maximumhusky]

I agree with this completely. "No need to put others down to bring yourself up."

[(Anonymous)]

Steven Universe is my favorite show, too and I get ya. I've just learned to ignore the hate and enjoy it purely on its own.

[(Anonymous)]

I think for a lot of people, impressions of a show strongly mix with their impressions of the fandom so if the fandom is a raging dumpster fire, it automatically reflects on the show. And if someone doesn't particularly like the show, this bullshit fabdom certainly doesn't help.

[(Anonymous)]

But from what I've seen, the people who are the harshest critics of the show are actually part of the fandom, or are former fans who have been "let down" by the show. They don't hate it because the fandom is bad, they're actually part of the reason why it's bad. They're often people who used to sing praises about SU, only to completely turn around after some time and start complaining about how "problematic" it is and harass the staff of the show.

[nightscale]

I really enjoyed this when I was watching it, it's cute and the episodes aren't that long so it was really watch on a lunch break or while cooking dinner. But the bonkers way they released the episodes meant that I eventually just lost touch with it because I didn't even know when it was coming back.

I don't even know how far behind I am these days. :/

And unfortunately people discarding something they used to love as 'complete garbage' or The Worst is a very typical fandom thing I've seen over the years. Something new and shiny comes along and instead of enjoying that as well as the older thing, everything before it must now be deemed trash to prop up the new thing as The Best.

It's completely bizarre to me, but I just steer clear of people like that, they suck the fun out of everything.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

"I'm not a part of the fandom, but I've been a fan of this show since it came out."

Seems like a contradiction to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes people who just consume a canon but don't produce fanworks or generate fannish discussion don't consider themselves to be part of the fandom.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Usually that happens because silly people try to gatekeep the idea of a "fandom" as something that only 1/20 fans actually do.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Not really, it's pretty obvious that they mean they are fan of the show but don't actually participate in the fannish activities on tumblr/twitter/etc.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Yes, but if you're a fan of the show, you're in "fandom" by any reasonable definition of the term. Especially if you're submitting secrets about it here.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

But there is clearly a colloquial sense of the word "fandom" for which this is not true. IMO it is entirely reasonable and normal to use the word "fandom" to talk about something along the lines of "people who go out of their way to talk about and engage with the show and identify as part of a social group built around it". That's a way that - it seems to me - we use that word all the time. It seems pretty straightforward how I might talk about being a fan of X-Files if I watched it every week when it was on, and at the same time say that I was not in the X-Files fandom because I didn't post online about it or write fic, or engage with the show in any other way, except watching and enjoying that way.

That's obviously not the only sense of the word, but it seems pretty clear from context in this instance. And just being on f!s doesn't really change that - you can quite easily be in a fandom for one thing that you watch, and not in the fandom for another. I'm a little baffled by what you're driving towards.

[(Anonymous)]

Pedants gonna ped.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

But there is clearly a colloquial sense of the word "fandom" for which this is not true.

Colloquial in what sense? Because as much as fanwork creators like to think the fandom universe revolves around their particular hobby, it really doesn't. And there are plenty of people who (to pick on an office favorite) obsessively follow each and every bit of Hamilton or Beyonce trivia to discuss it at the drop of a hat in the breakroom. It's pretty silly to say that the woman spent part of a morning networking with family to find a cousin with a citicard so that she could get concert tickets isn't part of a fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. They mean they love the show but aren't involved -in the fandom-. They aren't involved in the social aspect of the media that we call fandom.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I consider fandom to be an online community that discusses and/or creates fan content of the show, while being a simple fan just means plain being a fan of the show. Kinda in the way that all squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are square.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for putting what I was trying to put together in my mind so succinctly. This is the way I think about being a fan versus being in a fandom.

Like, I have no idea what's going on in "Grey's Anatomy" fandom even though I watch the show religiously. But I've been and still am in "Inu Yasha" fandom since 2002, even though it's been off the air in all forms for at least five years now.

Re: OP

[cbrachyrhynchos]

This is the way I think about being a fan versus being in a fandom.

Which is a self-contradictory distinction. If you're a fan, you're in fandom. Period. Any other definition is just gatekeeping in favor of your preferred social networks at the expense of others.

Like, I have no idea what's going on in "Grey's Anatomy" fandom even though I watch the show religiously.

This is completely backward. The primary works are primary. Engagement in secondary work is, well, secondary and completely optional.

Otherwise, you're just privileging your favorite secondary texts. Am I not in SFF fandom because I read a half-dozen reviewers religiously, track the awards shortlists, but have not checked into Pinterest in weeks? What about the fact that I have a TFA pencil box in my desk (a gift from a fellow traveler) but don't follow Hamill's twitter?

EDIT: Before social media became broadly accessible, lunchroom discussions, viewing parties, pull lists, and print periodicals WERE fandom.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're going to have to accept that a very large majority of people use the word fandom differently than you. Not out of rudeness against your character or judgement, just that a ton of people think that 'fan' is a synonym for "casually engaged person who might enjoy a story on their own time". What's another word for a person who doesn't ascribe to the social convention of fandom, but just plain enjoys a show on it's own merits? When a movie reviewer or game reviewer does their perfunctory job that they are paid for and says that a movie/game is enjoyable, are they automatically enlisted into some sort of shadowy cabal of fandom against their own wishes?

Talking about a story positively in real life with your mates doesn't necessarily mean fandom. https://fanlore.org/wiki/Fandom states that the term was used "to refer to the organized society/culture they were forming" all the way back in the 1920s, as opposed to passively watching a story that people were doing beforehand. Fandom is inherently a get-together, not a solitary pursuit.

[(Anonymous)]

Came here to say the same thing. I guess it's a matter of definition, and I'm old-school in the way that "being in a fandom," to me, just means liking the thing. People are different in their fannish behavior. I hardly generate any fannish content these days, and I hardly take part in any discussions anymore. That doesn't mean I like the thing any less.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean those """critical""" blogs, right? It's just a bunch of overly entitled children mad that the show isn't 100% catering to them on their shitty schedules. Honestly, it's best to block and move on. Their opinions on anything non-SU are probably shit, too.

[(Anonymous)]

OP, the people calling it the worst show on television are the "fans" aka the SU criticals who tune in for every ep to complain.