[ SECRET POST #4098 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4098 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

This just makes me laugh because I really really don't care for Sherlock so I'm not bothered about any more episodes - no offence intended to anyone who enjoys it but I think it's overrated and can't be arsed with it. I know nothing of its shippers and their levels of intensity regarding thoughts on RPF for this pairing, but in my opinion this quote screams loudly "doth protest too much" and, if anything, supports the opinion that they could be a couple as much as it opposes it. This is hilarious to me because it makes me sound such a tinhat but I'm honestly not - I really couldn't give a flying fuck about either of them.

[(Anonymous)]

I believe the actor is a foul-mouthed bugger anyway. This isn't particularly hyperbolic language for him.

More than any fandom, JohnLock has this escalation/obsession effect going on where there are fans shouting "conspiracy! conspiracy! there's a secret S4 hidden fourth episode that makes JohnLock real!" and these people are seriously deluded and approach the actors at cons with their theories of how JohnLock Is Real and are disturbingly avid about it.

So on one hand I sympathize with him. OTOH, he's a total asshole and possibly a homophobe? On the third, alien, hand, all I know of this fandom has been peripheral, as I am not in it. I just watched the eps and read about the fandom on FS.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah. My guess is that it only sounds like an overreaction if you unaware of the context, i.e. lots and lots of batshit Johnlock fans who've beaten the subject to death for years.

[digitalghosts]

It makes it funnier within context of Holmes in general - people shipped him and Watson for over 100 years so any adaptation would receive same questions.

However, I do wonder if Freeman might have had this reaction due to Cumberbatch being a total prat. I would not wish dating him on worst enemy.

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[(Anonymous)]

No, they really didn't. And I speak as a classic Holmes/Watson shipper myself. The idea that people shipped them in the 19th/early 20th century has sloshed around tumblr but there is no real evidence for it - only wishful thinking and poor comprehension of the 19th century social and linguistic context. Rex Stout was making a silly joke.
ACD-version [heavily mixed with/based on Granada-version] shipping dates from around the 1980s.

Re: Incorrect

[digitalghosts]

I have no idea who Rex Stout was and the source I have was letters between people (not the ones to Doyle) and I recall someone writing to a newspaper about it but that must be pretty wrong as not even tabloids then would publish that. Heard samenreferences in Poland and we did not get Granada series (hence watched it as an adult). I'll look it up but it probably is in newspaper history book we had for uni.

Edit: Literary critics certainly bashed heads on that and The Private Life of Holmes in 70s is to blame but thus far got discussions from 50s so maybe those letters were anecdotal. Still fierce battles would count to me as shipping.

However, it had been colloquially referenced a lot and before internet whenever topic came up, even not in UK so I presume there are some literary journals gather dust somewhere which from the whole debacle generated.

Still, show creators would have been aware of that.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd be interested to see those letters, but I doubt they would be from very long ago; as you say, the climate was hostile to any such discussion until quite recently.

Rex Stout: http://www.nerowolfe.org/pdf/stout/home_family/BSI/Watson_was_a_woman.pdf

Taken by some to imply slashy subtext.