[ SECRET POST #4100 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4100 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Emily Blunt/John Krasinski]


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03.
[Grace and Frankie]


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04.
[rupauls drag race]


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05.
[Donald Trump Jr./Aubrey O'Day of Danity Kane]


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06.
[Knight Squad, Sage and Buttercup]


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07.
[Kristin Ortega from Altered Carbon
Rosa Diaz from Brooklyn Nine-Nine
Amy Santiago from Brooklyn Nine-Nine]


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08.
[Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy]













Notes:

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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

people can be religious even if they don't talk about it frequently

[(Anonymous)]

That's not really the point, though. This isn't an issue of religion, it's an issue of characterization. It'd be the same if a character went two seasons without even mentioning the ocean, then all of a sudden the show makes them out to be a huge scuba diving enthusiast and shark handling expert. It happens a lot in tv shows, but that doesn't mean it's not annoying.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't agree that it's bad characterization.

The reason that I think it's not bad characterization is because people can be religious even if they don't talk about it frequently.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree. The fact that a lot of things can happen IRL is only relevant up till a point. In fictional media, you're supposed to to set these things up, otherwise it comes out of nowhere. For example, lots of serial killers go undetected by their friends and family, but if the next Captain America movie suddenly has him strangling prostitutes to death with no backstory or context, that's bad writing and poor characterization.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. But it's a matter of degrees - some things are greater departures than others. And I don't think a character just not mentioning anything religious is enough to make a religious scene a character break.

And I think that OP, most likely, is overstating how much of a character break it is based on their distaste for the idea that the scene is only included as a calculated appeal to religious people, which I think is very unlikely, and not really necessary to explain why a character might go to church.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you familiar with this show? Because the woman pictured goes through a really traumatic divorce where she finds out her husband of many, many years is gay and in love with his law partner. She has a terrible time of adjusting, she feels like her life has been turned upside down and everything she's ever known has changed. And not once does she mention religion, or seeing a priest or going to church.

But years later, she finds herself in a moral quandary about whether or not to get involved with an ex boyfriend and suddenly she's in church talking to God?

Oh yes, and later on, she's struggling with the possibility that her best friend might leave her and it's a huge deal...but religion is no longer a factor. So yeah, it doesn't feel like very solid writing.

[(Anonymous)]

People are weird.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. And sometimes, TV shows have poor writing.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Even if it's not "bad characterization," it's bad writing to drop this without any hints then.

"Realistic" is not the same as good writing. Especially in fiction.

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt

Exactly.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think this is the kind of thing where you really need that many hints to set it up

[(Anonymous)]

There were NO hints and NO set up at all.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT - true, but how likely is it, really, that in all the time that's passed, with all that's happened (esp. the first few episodes of the show, which are very emotional and difficult for her, so I'd expect a religious person to want to, y'know, go get some emotional support from their faith?), that not only has she never mentioned her religious beliefs, but none of her friends or family have either? Her ex-husband, her daughters, her best friend - not a word?
Really?

[(Anonymous)]

Real life =/= fiction, though. It's possible to write a plot that could conceivably happen in real life that still isn't executed well. It's apples and oranges.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. But people have a very reasonable expectation for plot coherency in their media in a way that they don't have for real life. That's the whole point of creating a TV show or movie - the goal is to write a script that makes sense, with characters that make sense. A character who previously wasn't shown to be religious at all suddenly coming over all religious without any explanation of why feels out of place... because it is. Trying to handwave it like "oh she was religious all along but we never showed it at all despite many logical opportunities to do so" feels like a cheat... because it is. TV isn't real life. It's planned. Character development is not supposed to feel like random traits popping out of the blue, and if it does, that's not excused by realism, it's sloppy writing.

[(Anonymous)]

I think we're in a privileged position here that not even friends get of seeing characters in private moments. Like I don't go to church all that much lately so an observer might decide I'm not religious, but if I were on a television show, an audience would see that I have a rosary in my coat and pull it out when no one's around.