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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-03-28 07:39 pm

[ SECRET POST #4102 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4102 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Jessica Jones, season 2]


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[Assassination Classroom]


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[Chronicles of Narnia]


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[Shimanami Tasogare]


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[The Office (U.S.)]


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[Inuyasha]


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(Live performance of Serj Tankian singing Rains of Castamere from Game of Thrones)













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(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Those are all super interesting questions! The problem is that like... there aren't any actual satisfying answers to those questions, except for the ones that we make up ourselves. Which, IMO, is fine - but don't expect to find answers to those questions within Harry Potter itself, because it's not going to happen and that's not what Harry Potter really is about.

Isn't that some of what Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them addresses?

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Also, I think JK Rowling will sometimes answer those questions when posed to her.

But really, isn't kind of fun to come up with your own theories?

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, any of that would've been more interesting than yet another formulaic, coming-of-age story where the wizardry is interchangeable with anything else.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Really? In 2018?

First of all, yeah, Harry Potter is completely unoriginal, who cares, people still like it. Second, it's technically correct to call that coming of age stories are formulaic, but it's also kind of pointless - the category is so vast and general. It's like dismissing Earth because it's just another planet.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

I didn't say people couldn't like it, I said OP's ideas were more interesting than the canon.

And yes, there are non-formulaic and formulaic coming-of-age stories. HP is the latter.

What is your point?

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
My point is that you're being very dismissive in a way that I think is very silly.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Or I just really dislike HP and really like OP's idea.

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(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly, as much as I like the Harry Potter books, I don't think JK Rowling is the best at figuring out this stuff, so I doubt you'll ever get any canon answers. Stick with fandom, there's plenty of people who are interested in these same things.

(Also, that font is messing with my eyes something awful)

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Well, JKR addressed Native American magic in relation to Fantastic Beasts, and people lost their shit. So if I were her, I'd stick safely to White People Magic, too.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
The problem is - as other people have pointed out - JKR is very bad at actually coming up with answers to these questions outside of the aesthetic structure of Edwardian school stories

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Here are your Cool Kid Points for being critical of JKR.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
I like JKR a lot! She's really, really good at what she's good at. She just really needs to stick right within that wheelhouse.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
And here are your Cool Kid points for overreacting any time someone says anything even mildly critical of JKR.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
huh

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(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
That was really uncalled for. Anon had a legitimate critique of JKR. It wasn't bashing.

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(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Mentioning that worldbuilding is not her strong point is NOT bashing. She's good at what she does--worldbuilding is not one of those things. It's okay. Shhhhh.
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[personal profile] el_regrs 2018-03-29 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
Same, OP.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Good questions, op! But I agree with the others who said it's unlikely there'll be satisfying canon answers. Rowling was good at using the broad framework of the boarding school format combined with wizardry, but she had lots of help in that department. Filling in the gaps doesn't seem to be her strong point and I doubt she's thought it through for herself.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
I really, really want to know what Hogwarts's health and safety policy was and what the risk assessment for the Triwizard Tournament was like.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
https://vimeo.com/54162829
"A documentary looking at the conditions of Vincent Clortho Public Wizard School, the worst-performing wizard school in the country."

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
Fandom is far better at that than JKR and whoever else is in charge of the Potterverse. I love the template Harry Potter created, but relying on having a canon just isn't as satisfying as seeing someone merge the world-building with some of their own culture or ideas.
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[personal profile] lovedforaday 2018-03-29 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
JKR is the wrong person to answer all those questions.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
JKR and her ham-handed worldbuilding aside (anons are right, she's great in her wheelhouse but it is a small wheelhouse), I feel like once you start really getting into magic's interaction with culture, government, and history, you start treading on thinner ice. That is, you'll eventually run smack up against the wall of really unpleasant things like religious persecution of magic-users, how to treat other cultures' spirituality sensitively and not turning them all into magical savages, etc. I don't think it's impossible, but eventually it'll turn into wank no matter how hard you try to keep discussion civil or ensure that your ideas make sense AND are sensitive at the same time.

Like, really, the "wizarding" community only really works as an English/American concept, and that's even after completely skirting around Catholic and Puritan witch-hunting. Much of Rowling's lore is firmly English-based, and naturally so, but concepts of mythology are so radically different in other cultures that I feel like trying to shoehorn Native American tribes, Taoist mystics, Zulu diviners, Aztec priests, etc into this concept of secret wizard communities worldwide would start to get awkward after a point. The Pottermore story about the founding of American wizarding school was already bad enough.

(Anonymous) 2018-03-29 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
+1 Rowling has created one of the most popular fantasy series of all time, but most of her world building ideas aren't original and they don't bear up under scrutiny. But that's fine! It was originally meant for kids, after all. Trying to expand the original universe and flesh out the skeleton has been embarrassing and kind of racist. I wish she'd just left it, honestly.