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⌈ Secret Post #4103 ⌋

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The movies I have seen him as a lead in have been great. Granted, those are Hurt Locker and Wind River so not a lot of options. But he was fantastic in them. Especially Wind River. Everyone needs to watch Wind River.

Something I do find funny is that in Hurt Locker is acting with Anthony Mackie (Falcon) and in Wind River he was acting with Elizabeth Olson (Wanda).

Arrival is really good, too. You should add that one to your watch list.

We watched it recently for the Movie Club! He just isn't much a lead in it.

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You're right, I didn't think of that when I replied. I'm glad you've seen it, though.

I loved it as well! The music is fantastic.

He was miscast in Wind River. Unless the character's name was White Savior, and I'm just forgetting that part.

Actually, the character's name was Cory Lambert but if you have only watched the movie while playing on your phone or something, you might have missed that. :)

Ah, White Savior must have been his "Indian Name" then, since they wanted the character to be a skilled tracker with a Native American ex and child to drive his emotional pain, but couldn't be bothered to actually let a Native American man be the lead.

Probably had nothing to do with drawing a comparison between Renner's character, Bernthal's character, and Winter's character. Or using Renner as a bridge between the Native American characters and Olsen's character. Nahhhhhhhhh.

Just curious - do you make excuses for all movies that pull shit like this or is this one special? Is this a underrepresented population you just don't care about? Or is it because it stars Pug Face? (And yes, I know all about thematic parallels as a narrative device. I know other characters/actors in the movie are perhaps miscast in this regard too. And you know what? I enjoyed the movie and thought he was great in it.)

THE CHARACTER WAS STILL A WHITE SAVIOR.

For a story about a crisis that is so ignored, having JR and EO be the stars propelling the narrative is disgusting.

You've made it a special case. Anyways, great movie and I'll watch it again when I go to visit my sister.

Also, Pug Face? Clearly he is Grumpy Cat face.

Edited 2018-03-30 01:14 (UTC)

I guess more power to you and your sister, whatever the hell she has to do with it, then.

Thanks!

Nah, dude, don't be insulting Grumpy Cat like that.

The resemblance is uncanny.

NAYRT. Wow! It really is uncanny! LOL!

isn't part of honestly depicting that crisis admitting that a lot of government officials dealing with that population are going to be white? and it's more nuanced to have a white official be trying to do a good job but still be part of a colonialist system than to have Every Racist Be Cartoonishly Malicious like Crash or something.

And the movie openly addresses the fact that such cases are typically ignored/don't get the same resources to get solved until white people are not just involved but care more than most do, and is based on actual incidents where that proved to be the case.

Fair enough...maybe.

Except they could just as easily have modified the story to tell it from the perspective of Graham Greene's character (an official investigating the case), or Gil Birmingham's character (a grieving father), or Natalie (the actual victim) or...

But they decided to make them all side/supporting characters while giving similar characteristics and motivations (grieving father/person investigating the case; young woman who suffers a trauma/person investigating the case) to the white characters who are the leads and main focus and "heroes".

For the umpteenth time, I'm not saying it was a bad movie. I'm saying how they chose to tell this story is unfortunate, to say the least. Not being Native American myself, I am not trying to speak on their behalf. But as a viewer who cares about depictions of diversity told from the perspectives of the people actually facing situations like this, I'd have preferred a different approach.

You're not wrong but at the same time, I don't think this example is particularly *worse* than the Hollywood median, and I don't think any of this is really Jeremy Renner's *fault*, or a reason to dislike his performance

Where did I say it was worse than other examples? Where did I say it was his fault? And I did in fact say I thought his performance was great and I liked the movie.

The character was still a white savior, and that's a trope that needs to be called out, IMO. Because saying "well, that's Hollywood, I guess" changes nothing.

You didn't explicitly say it but it came off as implied to me and (apparently) most of the other people who read it because of how you said it and the context of the conversation. Apart from anything else, it definitely did come across as a criticism of Jeremy Renner specifically simply because of the fact that the thread was about Jeremy Renner and you didn't really say anything about how you were disappointed with the storytelling decisions, just "Jeremy Renner was miscast".

but, you know, whatever. it's all good.

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None of those people would have told a complete story. Graham Greene's character wasn't involved in a lot of the investigation. Gil Birmingham's character wasn't involved in ANY of the investigation. Natalie was dead.

What a surprise, you're an unapologetic racist and you idolize a dude who called a female character a slut and a whore. Enjoy masturbating over that nasty ass fuggo.

Considering I don't actually find Renner attractive, I probably won't. Apparently you only think attractive people can be good actors. How shallow.

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