[ SECRET POST #4109 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4109 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I mean if HE'S a prisoner and has no choice, why do we assume Valkyrie is making those choices out of HER free will?

Aside from the fact that the Hulk isn't like a person who's grown up and developed, but is more of a spitting rage monster that evolves, I think it is obvious in the narrative that he is a prisoner, albeit one who is happy with his lot.

So what narrative reason do you have to presume that Valkyrie is NOT making those choices of her own free will? We can always fanwank an explanation, but within the film itself, I see no evidence that she's not making choices of her own free will, and she herself never gives any indication otherwise.

I don't have a horse in this race; just curious about your logic.

[philstar22]

For me, it appears like everyone who isn't the Grandmaster is forced. He seems to be the top dog/slaver, and I don't think anyone can leave. I get the feeling that it was a choice for Valkyrie between death and helping the Grandmaster. At this point she's so numb that she can tell herself she enjoys it. But the way she acts towards the Grandmaster and the Grandmaster towards her, choice doesn't seem to be there for me.

[soldatsasha]

I see where you're coming from but imo that doesn't really fit what we're shown in the film regarding the way Sakaar works or how Valkyrie feels about the situation herself.

Sakaar is an entire metropolis full of people that seems to work just like any other city. They aren't all slaves to the Grandmaster. And just because Valkyrie doesn't like the Grandmaster and the Grandmaster is a creepy perv towards everyone, that doesn't mean she's a slave herself or being forced to work with him.

I'm pretty sure we're just supposed to think of her as a morally ambiguous anti-hero, much like Loki. She's a slaver who used to be a good person and can maybe become a good person again.

[philstar22]

I honestly see the Grandmaster as in more control than you do. I think Sakaar is carefully planned out. The Grandmaster wants people to control. If he had a particular role he wanted any of those ordinary people to play, they would be forced into it just like Hulk and Valkyrie were (and everyone in the arena and on his "staff"). Valkyrie is particularly gifted. He'd never have let her be just an ordinary citizen. I think the choice was death or the job he wanted her to do. Or he'd make her suffer until she said yes. Or maybe he'd put her in the arena herself if she said no.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT, Hmm, interesting. I suppose I can see that. Personally, I saw her more as a favoured bounty hunter/contractor who's propping up a despot and shrugging off her responsibility. Yes, I can see there are narrative reasons due to trauma, but I have always had a strong knee-jerk bad reaction to characters who know better and yet choose to do wrong.

That being said, the film is pretty lighthearted and did not invite me to take the issues quite that seriously, and since she does come around and end up on the side of the good guys, I was quite fine with her in the end and thought she was an interesting character.

In terms of this secret, I've seen some of discussions, but feel like there's a disconnect between "in real life this would be a bad thing" vs "you're not supposed to take it seriously". And personally, I'd rather go with "don't take it so seriously" rather than arguing which one of them has greater moral culpability when it comes to slavery.