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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-04-06 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #4111 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4111 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2018-04-06 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Remember when slash and femslash were taboo just for being gay?

I wonder how those stories hold up now. Probably not well.

(Anonymous) 2018-04-07 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
They hold up exactly the same as they did at the time they were written -- that is to say, if they were well-written or crap.

Time has not dulled them, only their 'warnings.'

(Anonymous) 2018-04-07 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
I tried reading a few old fics a while back and no, they really don't.

Ten, twenty years ago, being gay had a hush hush tabooness that it doesn't now, and most fic writers didn't bother to give their fics a setting. So lots end up reading like people are angsting in modern day about not being able to get gay married for no reason, talking like everybody thinks all gay people have AIDS, or panicking about being run out of town in areas where that totally wouldn't happen.

When most of the real world was more anti-gay than before, the worries made sense without explaining them out. Unfortunately the fics' settings never had a date so to any reader reading them now, they end up not only dulled but super dated.

(Anonymous) 2018-04-07 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
... but you just made my point, I think? The fics you describe are in the 'not well-written to begin with' category. They might have been better received back then for whatever reason -- maybe that hush hush tabooness you mention -- but that's all they had going. They were slightly-shiner crap back then for being newly shat out.

(Anonymous) 2018-04-07 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
" A few fics". Yeah, that certainly proves your point.
Wait. No.
As AWRTY points out,quality is key. Also, I would submit, maturity in the writers.
/sincerely, someone who was around twenty years ago and quite well recalls many, many fics where being gay was not in the least tabooified.

(Anonymous) 2018-04-06 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean... yeah, that's what's going to happen when taboo itself is your kink

it's not a way that I would want to be personally I guess

(Anonymous) 2018-04-06 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I think OP meant that tabooness is fandom's overall kink, not their own.

I don't disagree with them exactly

(Anonymous) 2018-04-06 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yeah, I got that, I was just talking generally as well

(Anonymous) 2018-04-07 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
I do. I suppose that writers in some fandoms had that issue, but I didn't see it in mine (old, old fandom)

(Anonymous) 2018-04-06 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
it's not a way that I would want to be personally I guess

Me neither. I'm judged for literally everything I enjoy. Yet I can't help enjoying it.

(Anonymous) 2018-04-06 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think my Holy Trinity* is in any danger of becoming lolworthy.

* noncon, incest, underage

[personal profile] mrs_don_draper 2018-04-06 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Which tropes have been used less and less, on your mind, OP? Just curious if something specific made you wanna make this secret!

(Anonymous) 2018-04-07 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like a good writer can still use the titillating quality of tabooness by making the characters feel like what they're doing is taboo, even if it isn't something we'd necessarily find taboo today... but it has to make some kind of sense for the character or setting, and the writer has to be able to pull it off.

(Anonymous) 2018-04-07 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
what has been fandom's timeline of taboo kinks? an interactive timeline would be great.