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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-07-20 05:08 pm

[ SECRET POST #562 ]


⌈ Secret Post #562 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[identity profile] asmaria.livejournal.com 2008-07-24 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Game/movie/TV parallels? Can you clarify what you mean by myth?

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[identity profile] tsukinofaerii.livejournal.com 2008-07-24 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I should note before I post this that I detest the MPAA with a passion. I'm not even pretending to be unbiased.

My beef is that what we see/read/play affects us different depending on the medium. The "myth" (which really was a loose use of language and I apologize for that) is that these things are all equal in terms of impact based on content. In fandom this is especially pernicious, shown in the way movie ratings are used in fanfiction as they they have any real connection to the medium.

The premier example is visual porn and written erotica. Visual media pornography (from an admittedly American public opinion stand—not necessarily my own view) is held separate from other deemed "legitimate" works because of the impact it has on a person. We're very much affected by visual stimuli, and so porn is only available to certain people because of the effect it has on them. No matter how artistically it's done—even if it's just a normal plot-based movie that happens to have a sex scene, it's considered pornography. It's rated NC17and illegal to supply to those under that age.

Now I'm going to snag examples of professional written works of erotica—ranging from the Anita Blake series (which includes, S&M, B&D, bloodplay and more) to Anne Rice's retelling of Sleeping Beauty. There's no age limit on these works. Anyone with money can walk into a bookstore and purchase them. These books have more sex in them than could ever be fit into a feature-length movie, but because it's written the effect is different. What's (supposedly) only arousing in visual form becomes open to questions of characterization, philosophy, morality... anything the author cares to pack in there. That gives it more depth, and therefore it's more acceptable. Unless these books are printed with images, they're not restricted.

Video games are... admittedly odd in the sex department. They combine both of the above mediums (thus the rating M for Mature), but when a game aims to arouse it's generally just for the sake of it. Often it falls flat on its face. The point of a videogame is to play—I've yet to meet anyone who will buy a game and play for three hours just to masturbate to a brief full-body nude image or sex scene. They tend to get shouted down for the violence—which is another deal entirely from sex. Games have a focus of playing—they're not intended to place you in the other character's shoes or to make you feel their personal angst (for the most part). They're certainly not supposed to do that for the characters who are most likely to be assaulted. Because they're a visual medium they get treated similarly to movies, but the parallel isn't exact. I wish the general public would see that.

(At this point, I'd like to challenge someone to make a game about sex. Not just using it to titillate, but about sex. With a score card.)

To sum up something that could be a long long long post, the medium something utilizes has a lot to do with how we're affected by it. Movie ratings exist because visual depictions theoretically affect us enough that we may be traumatized by it. Books affect us in different ways—I'm more likely to be traumatized by a well-written break-up scene than the same by any couple on the silver screen. On the other hand, I can't watch a slasher movie but I love to read them. I'll take a movie death scene any day over a written one; there are books on my shelves I'll never finish reading or reread because of that. I played fighter games as a kid and cheered when I ripped someone's head off, but cried like the 16 years old I was last time I saw Bambi.

I understand that published fiction =/= fan fiction. Fandom has a convention of rating fic for the sake of the discerning reader. I'm perfectly fine with that. But I strongly believe that we need to find a rating system that's suited to our medium. It should be based on impact, not "I use the word penis, and saying penis is just like showing a penis so it's NC17 NO KIDDIES ALLOWED GAIS".

Okay, I'll shut up now. Rant over. ^^;

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[identity profile] asmaria.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 01:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok, that does make a lot of sense. I admit, I used the comparison you don't like, but I didn't think it through as deeply. On the surface, I think that what a lot of people referring to movies or game ratings mean is that they look before they consume the product - 'is this what I wanted?' - basically. It's a poor comparison, and we probably do need a better rating system, but that's about all I meant when I made my comment. :)

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[identity profile] tsukinofaerii.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
This is just one of those things I've put (too much) thought into, lol. ^^; One of the problem with fandom ratings is that they don't tell us what we're going to get anymore. Some people will slap R on a fic for the word "crap", and some will rate a highly graphic BDSM Furry Tentacle Porn R to post it on FFN. x.X

Fandom. I take it too seriously, yes?