[ SECRET POST #4119 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4119 ⌋

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[osidiano]

The people telling you this film is like Iron Man are wild. This film has waaay more in common with the fucking Lion King than it does with the first Iron Man movie.

[(Anonymous)]

They're obviously the exact same movie [if you devolve the plots to the most basic generic elements of the Hero's Journey], duh.

[osidiano]

I'm pretty sure T'Chaka actually says "Remember who you are" to T'Challa beneath the spirit tree (which is in both movies). I wouldn't say that they're the exact same movie (Star Wars is also the Hero's Journey, and I don't think Black Panther is the same as A New Hope), but if we want to talk similarities, I was just surprised we brought up Iron Man and not the Lion King

[(Anonymous)]

I do think that but to be clear, I don't think it's a bad thing

[osidiano]

Oh, I don't necessarily think it's bad either; I really enjoyed both films. I just think if we're going to make comparisons it makes a lot more sense to talk about those two movies vs the first Iron Man (Tony's arc was about atoning for what HE ACTUALLY DID either through ignorance or negligence while in a position of power; T'Challa's arc is about dealing with HIS FATHER'S MISTAKE and realizing that he needs to blaze his own path as king). Simba returning from the jungle to reclaim his throne from an usurper is a lot closer to T'Challa coming back from the icy mountains than Tony going after Stane after having his arc reactor removed.

[(Anonymous)]

Tony's arc was about atoning for what HE ACTUALLY DID either through ignorance or negligence while in a position of power; T'Challa's arc is about dealing with HIS FATHER'S MISTAKE and realizing that he needs to blaze his own path as king

I think this is overstating the difference, by a lot.

With T'Challa, it's not just about his father's error. His father's error is a crystallization of a broader set of problems with the Wakandan way of doing things. And that's a way of doing things that T'Challa has internalized and identified with, and the movie is, in large part, about understanding that those things do have to change.

And then, with Tony, it's not just about what he himself has done while in charge of the company; it's about what the company is and has done and what the Stark name means.

I would say that the Lion King comparisons are way more thematically loose, and much more about generic Hero's Journey stuff. I haven't seen Lion King in years, so I might be off on this, but there's no sense in Lion King - at least as I can recall - of Simba atoning for the sins of his father, or of Mufasa generally being anything other than a righteous king, deposed by treachery. That's a massive, huge, fundamental thematic chasm.

Although I agree that the villains in Iron Man and Black Panther do come at things from a different angle - Stane is a villain who wants to maintain the villainous status quo, Killmonger is a villain who represents the impossibility of maintaining it but goes about changing it in the wrong way.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't The Lion King just Hamlet with lions?