[ SECRET POST #4132 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4132 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Jay and Silent Bob]


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[Louisa May Alcott, An Old Fashioned Girl]


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[The Maze Runner, Thomas/Minho]


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[First Wave (Scifi Channel)]


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07. [SPOILERS for Black Panther]



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08. [WARNING for sexual abuse]

[The Fall Part 2: Unbound]









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Comments

[fscom]

07. [SPOILERS for Black Panther]
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[morieris]

I wouldn't call his motivations in SK 'revenge', so much as 'a madman who has done all this shit and continue to do so, needs to be fucking stopped'.

CW, no comment.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, there's also a ton of personal stuff with his father and his father's legacy and shit. There's definitely an element of revenge.

[(Anonymous)]

Then why are they not out there stopping other people? He ONLY went after Gollum because of a personal grudge. How is that not revenge?

[morieris]

Because other people didn't steal Vibranium and tried to sell it.

I'll concede that there is a long history of the same man who keeps attacking Wakanda and its citizens, but I can't say I find anything wrong with T'Challa doing something about it.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

They are. As we're shown and told, Black Panther is Wakanda's James Bond, and there are dozens of agents in the field doing different kinds of covert operations for Wakandan national security. We're shown this specific mission because it's the one that drives the rest of the film. Between CW and BP we're shown at least three others that were either sanctioned or tolerated by the council (spying in Los Angeles, a kill order on Bucky Barnes, and infiltration of Boku Haram.)

[(Anonymous)]

Spying in Los Angeles?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

My mistake, Oakland.

I would assume part of the reason for the process is because the leader gets to be Black Panther.

[(Anonymous)]

And fighting is part of what the Black Panther does. So, in that since being able to punch well, fits. I don't think it helps at all with diplomacy and hell, they might rethink it now.

Also, I think he changed his mind on the Accords at the end of Civil War, since he was harboring Bucky and in touch with Steve.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

like, I don't know shit about the comics so as an uneducated observer, it make total sense to me. the king of Wakanda is the Black Panther so he needs to be ready to fight at any time. plus, the coronation ceremony suggested that 99% of the time nobody ever challenges the succession so it's usually entirely for show. just so happened that this time (because it looks great in a short story) someone challenged him.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Also, one of the things in the comics has always been that Wakanda is a land of some odd tensions. In some ways, it's super-progressive and a supertech wonderland, but it's also got a lot of weird old traditionalist tribal stuff. Managing those tensions has caused T'Challa a lot of headaches over the years, and I really like that the movie engaged with that aspect.

(And yes, I say this as a resident of a highly-advanced technological nation where meaningless religious traditions have way the fuck too much influence on governmental policy.)

[(Anonymous)]

I have not seen this movie but imagining Black Panther randomly wreaking vengeance on South Korea for some odd reason is really funny to me

[(Anonymous)]

SK could mean Saskatchewan too. Black Panther goes to Canada! :D

[(Anonymous)]

Haha, yes! I like the idea that Black Panther goes to Saskatchewan. Just make sure it's summer, dude, or you're going to need a warmer costume.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it really useful to point out that the Magical Hidden Kingdom has a non-rational, mystical, pre-modern method for determining legitimacy of rule?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I kind of saw that as one of those modern ceremonial monarchy things that governments use to maintain the pretense that they're a constitutional monarchy, only as long everyone stays on script for the ceremony. IE, laws require the assent of the Queen, but if the Queen becomes too troublesome, remember that parliament created the current dynasty and forced the last troublesome King to abdicate, so just have your staff sign everything and play with your dogs.

Granted in a modern monarchy invoking that legal loophole that shall never be invoked would probably trigger at least a month of red tape and news media outrage, so BP wasn't that realistic.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, sure, yes, that's certainly true.

But my other point is that Wakanda is a flagrantly unrealistic setting in basically every way anyway. So what's worse about this one aspect of it?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Yeah, everything in Marvel Movies operates according to the mechanics of "what plot device would look cool on the screen."

[(Anonymous)]

"What plot device would look cool on screen, and also reinforce the character themes that we're dealing with in this movie"

Which is a fine, and good, and correct approach imo, to be clear

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I think it works for BP because it was exceptionally well written. Most other Marvel movies are not.

[(Anonymous)]

He went through character development in Civil War. Even if he hadn't, the character he was at the beginning of that film is in line with this.

That's why he hid Bucky at the end of Civil War. He was never on one side because he was the wild card.

[(Anonymous)]

But... The entire thing with BP was that he wasn't going to take revenge. He was trying to live up to his father's name, keep a guy from attacking Wakanda who repeatedly attacked it, and then the Killmonger thing was a thing of, "This guy is a lunatic and is going to get hundreds if not thousands of people killed for his own personal revenge." There's a reason that the guy's dad started crying in the vision in the apartment, and it's because he realized how badly he fucked up as a father.

T'Challa rejected his legacy of "just keeping Wakanda safe" in favor of choosing to believe in a better world, and he said it directly to his ancestors, telling them flat out that they were wrong for choosing safety over the welfare of even a child the abandoned because they'd become so attached to the illusion of safety they didn't want to think critically. Hell, I will point out that T'Challa's offer to heal Killmonger came after he said Wakanda was beautiful, staring in awe at the sunrise. I don't think he meant just physically, but from the life he'd led because of a mistake T'Challa's father made. T'Challa also kept begging M'Baku to fucking give in because he didn't want to kill him, showing mercy because a good leader shouldn't want the blood of a good and honorable warrior on his hands. He then later extended his hand to the Jabari to bring them into the council, because he felt it right to have every tribe have a voice. That is what makes him a good leader. Not just that he can punch, but that he can read other people and make split second decisions for the better.

[(Anonymous)]

You could certainly argue that some of T'Challa's pursuit of Klaw was based on revenge for the death of his father, I think.

[(Anonymous)]

He got all that sorted out in Civil War. The way he went about apprehending Klaw this time is totally unlike the revenge-driven frenzy in that movie.

[(Anonymous)]

um I think the "fight to prove yur worth" is supposed to symbolise the current BP's strength, since the power is passed down from generation to generation (it's not just about wearing a fancy suit yanno)
So if a king blessed by the BP's power wasn't able to hold his own, it would look bad