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⌈ Secret Post #567 ⌋

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Is that what people hate about him? (I don't know much about Vic, just that apparently, everyone hates him.) Or, at least, is that what the OP is whining about? That a VA decided to have a Sunday service? That's a wonderful idea--I always felt bad that I had to miss church when I'd go to cons for a whole weekend.
And it just seems like more of what a Con is about--you go to find people who share your interests and all. Like you said, it's no different than having panels for other aspects of fandom, and it would be one more way to meet people.

People who get upset with annoying zealots forcing religion down their throats I empathise with. People who get upset with practising Christians for *gasp* practising make me lol.

Honestly, she's no different than if someone went to a yaoi panel for the sole purpose of standing up in the middle and yelling about how everyone at the panel would go to hell for liking homosexuality and that someone they knew had died of AIDS.

It's one of the more irrational reasons! He's also outspokenly anti-yaoi, which is another reason. Although generally, most of the things I've heard him say don't really go all THAT far. There's one thing I've heard secondhand, which, if he DID say it, is going too far--something about Fay being absolutely NOT gay, and he should know because he's the voice actor and knows everything, even though it's a CLAMP character--but besides that, for the most part he just has the audacity to...well, say what he believes. I do think that sometimes he doesn't know when to stop, and his fans are a little insane, which is why I don't really consider myself a fan of his anymore, but...I don't see how it's any different than, say, the voice actors who made an anti-war CD together. (Which, by the way, I think is cool of them to do if they want to do it. Since when is it not OK for people to say what they believe?)

Ah yeah, I remember hearing something about the anti-yaoi thing now.
Even the thing about Fay (dunno who that is) doesn't seem like it would be a big deal, depending on how he said it. It's no different than Fraser Hines saying he played Jamie as if Jamie were in love with Victoria, even though the writers didn't make that so (Doctor Who). (On the other hand, if it was the way you put it, then yeah, that's a big arrogant, but I can understand being freaked out. I was always amazed at how well the LotR actors handled things like being handed photomanips of them doing things to each other.) Honestly, if he's anti-yaoi and outspoken about it, I almost have to give him props, given how insane fandom is in general.

And honestly-honestly...I can't imagine a guy talking about how his faith relates to topic-at-hand is all that different from the uber-yaoi fangirls who make every single thing about pretty boys sexing.

Right. I mean, I've heard about things like...a yaoi fangirl yelling and cursing at Vic for refusing to autograph a Ed/Roy doujinshi. It's a doujinshi, it's not official anyway, so he has the perfect right to refuse to sign it if he doesn't want to.

the clip of him talking about Fay being ZOMG STRAIGHT is on youtube somewhere, if you'd like to hear something besides secondhand accounts.

I'll search for that, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RdHhHkh6Rw

In case you couldn't find it.

Zelos!! ♥

Thank you! I'd totally given up on finding it, so that was a huge help. XD;

Autor! ♥

(Oops, that was my RP account. XD;)

I was actually the one asking the question there... it was equal parts wanting to annoy him and wanting to ask a baited question to get his "official" opinion when I'd only heard what his rumoured opinion was. So um, there you go!

Just jumping in to add: it is ridiculous to hate Vic because he decides to host Sunday services, because you always have the option of not going. I can see being annoyed if he coupled the Sunday Service with his actual panel, since those who didn't want to sit through the church crap but actually wanted to attend his panel would feel jilted, but it's not something to attack him for.

Mostly, just wanted to say that what bugs me about his anti-yaoi thing is the way he says even minor things, and the fact that last I heard, he was bring it up at practically every panel for no reason than he wanted to preach to the fangirls about it being teh wrongz. I don't care if he likes yaoi or hates it, is a homophobe or not, because it sucks but I obviously can't stop him. I just wish he'd realize that when he says making characters gay is a horrible thing and disrespectful to the creator's original work, he's practically straight-out saying that being gay is a horrible thing and something shaming, and that anyone bi or gay in his audience is probably horribly uncomfortable when he goes on about it. I don't like some of his roles (I think people are casting him in roles he doesn't fit just because OMG HE'S VIC MIGNOGNA now), I think some of them are okay, and there are a couple I absolutely LOVE, and I would enjoy going to one of his panels if I wasn't worried about having to sit through him suddenly bringing up why gay is so icky and disgusting and horrible for no reason.

L-LESS TL;DR he'll believe whatever he's gonna believe, but I think he should have the decency not to say something hateful and potentially hurtful at all of his panels, because man I feel sorry for the fans he is, perhaps accidentally, bashing. ):

It's not the only reason. Just one of many.

People hate Vic because he uses his Christianity as an excuse to be homophobic. The actual Bible doesn't say that much about homosexuality, all the "old testament" passages are in Hebrew and the meaning is considered debatable even by some very serious Orthodox Jews, and many people manage to be Christian and even to not practise homosexuality without condemning other people for their loving relationships, trying to deny people basic human rights like marriage and being hateful or even bitching about yaoi.

What Christians need to do is stop tolerating this hateful bullshit. It is AN interpretation of your religion; it is not the ONLY interpretation. As long as decent Christians defend this behaviour...the innocent will be blamed along with the guilty by those who've been burnt by the flames. I know, believe me, my own religion has its share of people using it as an excuse to be hateful. The only good defence imnsho is to say "I don't believe that and I don't believe G-d wants it to be that way."

150 years ago there were Christians who used their religion to justify selling human beings. (There were also Jewish slave holders. Sin is universal.) This is not really any different.

Edited 2008-07-26 00:41 (UTC)

all the "old testament" passages are in Hebrew and the meaning is considered debatable even by some very serious Orthodox Jews

I have never in my life heard this. The passage in Hebrew is about as obvious as you can get.... What "alternative meanings" could there possibly be??

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