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[ SECRET POST #4148 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4148 ⌋

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[Will and Grace season 9]

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[Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, Elizabeth Olsen]

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[Stranger Things, Billy/Mrs. Wheeler]

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(Grimm)

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[Antoni Porowski, Queer Eye 2018]

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[The Crown]

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[The Crown]

"logical and correct" is giving me the giggles for some reason.

very "I want to maintain the status quo". I don't even think you're wrong here, it's just funny.

And no. She's the main character.

It's not 'logical and correct' sorry

This.

Yeah, you’d think playing the main character would mean you’d be getting the same (if not more) as a male actor. I mean, if we’re talking about logic, it’d only be more logical to pay your main actress the same...

In other words, I agree.

This.

And when even as the main actresses get paid less the issue should be more obvious. Why people try to find excuses to justify that instead of acknowledging the obvious issue?

There were a couple of episodes Matt Smith was barely in. I mean, he's wonderful in the role, but so is Claire Foy, and she carries every episode. She has masses more screen time.

THIS!^

Oh wow, that's such a gorgeous promo picture of them. The colors, the light/shadow thing. I love it!

And I would have thought she'd have the bigger pay check, being the lead role and all.

Everything about this show is gorgeous.

I have some problems with this argument.

First of all, I'm not sure it's actually really possible to look in detail and quantify how much of the difference in pay was because he was famous from being the Doctor. And I'm not comfortable assuming that all of the difference is because of their previous careers, especially in an industry and a world that endemically underpays women (or underpays them more than it underpays men, anyway).

Second, just because there's an explanation, in terms of capital and profit and loss, for why it happened, that doesn't mean that you have to accept that explanation as the way that it has to be.

Yes, this!

I mean... sure, it's not possible to quantify in exact dollars and cents how much more Smith got for being the more famous actor. But it doesn't take an accountant to look at their IMDB history and think well, the guy who played the Doctor in one of the UK's most popular shows and most successful imports will probably get paid more than the lady who hasn't had any roles half as big as that. That's not unusual or suspicious, it's the industry norm. That's why suggesting that maybe it's a sexism thing when there's a much more obvious, simple answer sounds ridiculous to a lot of people.

But is all of it because of that? That's the question. Things can have more than one cause at the same time.

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I think it's a mostly fair argument to make for season 1, but not for season 2... but then I also don't know what kind of contract they signed.

This.

It happens in the real world, too: My co-worker and I were hired for the same position about the same time. I had more experience than her and therefore made a bit more money (also a woman, FYI). After a few years and our knowledge was about the same, that changed and we make very similar salaries.

I have no problem with her being paid less the first season. After that, it should have been even between them

That's Matt Smith? hot damn, I found him actively unattractive as the Doctor but he looks fine as Prince Philip.

But they're not being paid for their fame they're being paid for their work

Explain RDJ getting paid $50m for the first Avengers movie while his co-stars (even Chris Evans) ~only getting 600k-2m. Actors are paid for their names.

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I think yes and no? From what I've seen about salaries when it came to actors, they're more likely paid for their sellability in combination with their work?

It's easier to justify giving a non-titular character's actor a high salary if that actor is going to draw people into watching that show or movie. And lots of people (myself included) will watch something --or at least give it a chance--if it stars someone we like.

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Actors who are known and have a fanbase will bring in viewers automatically regardless of the project. That is a bargaining chip during negotiations, which means that actors who are known will get more money.

Actors who become more famous as a show goes on often get more money over time because they're bringing in the viewers and are also getting offers outside of the show, which means the show has to keep them interested.

This is super common in Hollywood. The Friends cast getting equal pay when they negotiated together was groundbreaking at the time and is still outside of the norm for any show with an ensemble cast.

Not that simple. Cast a total unknown in a movie and I guarantee you that even if they're the lead, they won't be getting as high of a salary if a super famous Hollywood star is their co-star.

she's the TITLE CHARACTER. they should have at least been paid the same amount, bc if they were both the same level of famous she should've gotten SO MUCH MORE than him

My opinion is that they should both be making less.

OP is missing the point. The title character spends way much more time in makeup, hanging around waiting to be filmed, being filmed and doing multiple takes, learning more lines, getting yelled at, etc. It's more freaking work. The title character gets paid more for a reason.

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