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⌈ Secret Post #4158 ⌋

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I think the big step is that it's a female superhero carrying her own movie?

Yeah. The problem is that people selling this movie and people wanting more from it have a different understanding of what "a big step" means.

It's like if someone who doesn't know much about technology tried to sell you "this awesome new phone" and it turned out to be some clunky brick-sized cell phone from the early nineties when you were expecting the latest smartphone.

Real feminist icon: Furiosa from Mad Max.

Gosh I loved Furiosa.

I love her.

she's barely a character if you're going just by the movie but okay

(it's not just her by the way, the movie as a whole suffers from that)

By the time I actually saw it, my expectations based on other people's reactions were so sky-high that I was disappointed to see another paint-by-numbers superhero flick that climaxed with the good guy and the bad guy zapping CGI at each other, and that's without even getting into the lack of body hair on the Amazons. Dunno how I'd have felt if I'd heard nothing about it going in, but people I know cried.

IMO trying to turn Wonder Woman into a political litmus test, in any direction, is a mistake. It's a blockbuster movie.

I went in with really low expectations, so I genuinely enjoyed the movie.

Did I like it? Sure! It was fun, it was nice seeing a female-led superhero movie. Did I think it was the feminist messiah? Absolutely not.

It only barely passed the Bechdel test for fuck's sake. And then there's the boob cups, the heeled boots, the makeup, the "historically accurate" skimpy armor, the simpering bedroom eyes in the fade-to-black scene (as opposed to, just maybe, her taking an active and eager part in the pre-gaming and maybe even lifting his tiny mortal ass off the ground--I might just be nit-picking there though)

I definitely don't think it's a massive massive feminist milestone. But I'm kinda happy that there's a fantasy wish-fulfilment superhero blockbuster for women. She's flashy and beautiful and she can throw a tank and I wanna be her.

She's the lead and title female character in a hugely budgeted and hyped movie franchise. But she's still a comic book superhero created by Zeus. And she's in her first solo movie - in those, a lot of times, they show the superhero's power and give them an emotional beat down, rather than a physical one, though sometimes they do both.

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THIS.^^^^ A THOUSAND TIMES!

I went in with pretty low expectations because I'd been disappointed by every DC movie thus far, and I ended up having a blast, it was the kind of Wonder Woman movie I'd been wanting since I was ten.

I don't think it's perfect by any stretch, I have niggles about her outfit in areas, and she's still unfortunately the Lone Woman among a bunch of guys, although the beginning does soften that for me a bit.

But it was lots of fun, and holy fuck could I watch her flip tanks for hours, but I think the internet maybe built this movie up a little too much. If you go in without any of those preconceived notions it's a really fun superhero blockbuster with a woman as the lead, which is still a good thing.

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It's a superhero movie. The superhero is meant to be physically perfect (personally I would have like to see more muscles, but she's obviously extremely fit not just skinny, so that's something) unless it's a subversion, which this wasn't. I mean, do you complain about Captain America looking amazing? Or Superman?

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My whole life was like a picture of a sunny day

You know she went through military service, right?

And she has nice as fuck muscles. Actual working muscles don't look like they do on bodybuilders.

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So it's only feminist if women are not attractive?

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Hear, hear. Still such a far way to go.

It's a start. That's all.

The thing that paves the way won't necessarily be the best of its kind. But nothing good comes of bashing everything it's not. Sure, it's got its flaws and WW often makes out like a Sue. But it was a good movie with a decent story, and if it's the reason we get more female superhero leads in movies that aren't two hours of audience eyerolls, then I'm glad WW kicked this off.

I'm not sure why people expected Wonder Woman not to have perfect hair.

I was more excited by that scene in Ghostbusters where four women are bonding over pizza and no one makes a diet joke than I was at any point during WW

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In a strapless bathing suit, to top it off. When everybody else is wearing heavy protective gear. *deep sigh*

It just shows how deeply chauvinist American society really are.

Relevant: http://kerrycallen.blogspot.no/2015/04/bullet-bouncing.html

Eh. I don't think it was The Great Leap Forward, sure, but this is a character who's supposed to be half god. Being stronger than she looks and magically staying pretty even in a warzone doesn't feel impossible under those kinds of parameters

What I wanted was for the character to be good while being strong, to be tested, to fight hard for what was right. I got all that. and I knew they'd cast someone beautiful, and I figured they wouldn't have her get as physically buff as I'd have liked, and I got both of those right too. But the way she looked was honestly less important to me than how she was FRAMED - you can shoot a beautiful woman without making an object out of her, and the production team did that. No matter how much the camera stayed on her, she was a subject and not an object, and it was the same with all the amazons in their sequences - beautiful, sure, but powerful as hell. I honestly can't complain about it, there are little quibbles i could bring out about this or that but that's all they are to me. Jenkins and everyone else got the important stuff right.

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