[ SECRET POST #4178 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #4178 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.



__________________________________________________



02.


__________________________________________________



03.


__________________________________________________



04.


__________________________________________________



05.


__________________________________________________



06.


__________________________________________________



07.


__________________________________________________



08.












Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 24 secrets from Secret Submission Post #598.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I think in a way Rian Johnson wrote a story that HE wanted to see, rather than what was going to be most enjoyable to the audience. Like he went into thinking, "I want to do this because it would be cool". Fanfic takes what-ifs and runs with them regardless of whether they fit into the 'feel' of established canon, which is how you get romance stories out of a horror-show like Supernatural. And ... that's how TLJ feels to me. Like one person went with what he alone thought would be cool, regardless of what came before. Rian's personal wish fulfillment SW story, if you will.

It resulted in scenes I LOVED LIKE REALLY LOVED, like the one I used. And others that were clearly the author's (director's) personal little pet like the whole Canto Bight subplot.

But I love fanfic. And so I end up defending it, despite all its flaws. :P

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I think in a way Rian Johnson wrote a story that HE wanted to see, rather than what was going to be most enjoyable to the audience. Like he went into thinking, "I want to do this because it would be cool".

So like... on some level, this is what I want every single filmmaker and creator ever to do. I *want* people to make the things that they think are awesome, that come from their own creative vision, that they think are good. Otherwise, you know, what the fuck are we even doing here? That doesn't mean that I'm going to like everyone's creative vision, but fundamentally it's still going to be more worthwhile and interesting than something that's just sort of programatically stamped out to resemble audience expectations. I certainly don't think that makes something "fanfic".

But maybe I'm not understanding what you're getting at!

Fanfic takes what-ifs and runs with them regardless of whether they fit into the 'feel' of established canon, which is how you get romance stories out of a horror-show like Supernatural. And ... that's how TLJ feels to me. Like one person went with what he alone thought would be cool, regardless of what came before. Rian's personal wish fulfillment SW story, if you will.

I see where you're coming from here - I agree that it's important to have some sense of narrative cohesion underlying stories.

But personally I didn't get the sense, at all, that TLJ is really thematically or narratively at odds with the rest of the Star Wars trilogy, or how it doesn't "feel" like the established canon. And - in my experience - most of the things that people point to when they're trying to explain why TLJ doesn't "feel" like Star Wars are actually pretty much in line with the previous Star Wars movies.

So I think this is less about fanfic and more about just... different interpretations of the existing Star Wars universe and what it's supposed to feel like? IDK tho

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

So like... on some level, this is what I want every single filmmaker and creator ever to do. I *want* people to make the things that they think are awesome, that come from their own creative vision, that they think are good. Otherwise, you know, what the fuck are we even doing here? That doesn't mean that I'm going to like everyone's creative vision, but fundamentally it's still going to be more worthwhile and interesting than something that's just sort of programatically stamped out to resemble audience expectations. I certainly don't think that makes something "fanfic".

But maybe I'm not understanding what you're getting at!

Of course creators should make things that they think are awesome! BUT ... I'm a writer myself, and about a year ago I finished a truly Epic Length fanfic, and there were a LOT of reader expectations. And yes, while I kept my 'vision' and didn't change the central plot, you bet I changed a lot of other things! Including very fundamental things about how my plot worked. I kept my readership in mind and took their criticisms and wants and tried to balance those with my own wants. Because when I write, I do it for the reader just as much as myself.

I don't think Rian Johnson went into it with that in mind. I really don't. And I LIKED TLJ, overall, but I also understand why people hate it.

How people experience fanfic is going to differ, of course. But for me, I find that it tends to be less about appealing to a general audience and more about your niche. And in many cases, it's just one person's point of view. And, like I said, running off with a concept with no regard for canon and/or fitting in with canon. It can be brilliant. It can also be crappy. (I LOVE YOU FANFIC, but I won't lie.) That's how TLJ feels to me. Brilliant and crappy at the same time.

I also find that fanfic usually does less worldbuilding than canon does, across fandoms. And there just wasn't much more NEW we learned in TLJ. Things happened, characters developed, but that was it.

But I'll leave it there. I've watched a lot of analyses on why TLJ does and doesn't work, and it's been said better than I could.

Does any of that make sense? lol

da

[(Anonymous)]

it's super weird to me that you would associate "being more concerned about personal vision than broad-demographic audience response" primarily with fanfic. For all the indulgences, it's a VERY communal act of indulgence, because we're in so much contact with our immediate audience (as in the case of your own fanfic). Whereas Real Literary Artists are frequently celebrated despite not being broadly enjoyed, and film has the entire field of Auteur theory about doing this exact thing.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

I guess I see your point, but it still FEELS like fanfic to me. I dunno, maybe it's the 'SCREW CANON' I see in it.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Never mind that there are plenty of fics out there where the author tried to and was successful in fitting their stories (whatever the actual genre) into the "feel" of the established canon. Including, I'm sure, Supernatural romance stories.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Of course there are. But I'm in the SPN fandom, and most don't bother. Which is fine, I never said it wasn't.