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⌈ Secret Post #4188 ⌋

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03. [SPOILERS for Hereditary]

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04. [SPOILERS for Hogwarts Mystery]

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05. [SPOILERS for Vampyr]

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06. [SPOILERS for Digimon Adventure Tri]

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07. [SPOILERS for Blue Exorcist]

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08. [SPOILERS for Solo]

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09. [SPOILERS for Solo]

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10. [SPOILERS for Solo]

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11. [WARNING for discussion of suicide]

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12. [WARNING for discussion of suicide]

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13. [WARNING for discussion of suicide]

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14. [WARNING for discussion of child porn]

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15. [WARNING for discussion of sexual abuse]

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James died a few years after that incident so you’re assuming at this point.

All available evidence strongly suggests that, etc, etc, etc

if anything, Snape outliving James means that he had more opportunities to meaningfully change

And he spent the rest of his life defending Harry and ultimately gave up his life for him sooo yeah he did

Correction: He spent the rest of his life making innocent children feel like shit for absolutely no goddamn reason. Giving up his life for the cause, as many many others also did, doesn't erase the fact that he was a total asshole.

You say correction as if the previous statement was incorrect. It wasn’t. There’s a reason Harry named his son in Snape’s memory.

He did good things while also being an absolutely terrible piece of shit in many, many other ways

One of them grew the fuck up and fought against nazis and evidently matured enough for Lily to not think he was a dickhead anymore. The other one ripped Lily's husband and son out of a family picture. I'm gonna go with Lily's opinion on this one.

Sirius admitted that James would continue to bully Snape behind her back after telling her he wouldn’t. He was just good at pretending.

So the rich popular guy was better adjusted than the poor self-loathing suicidal loner

What a shock

At what point does an individual bear moral responsibility for doing things like EG joining the Nazis or bullying pre-teen students?

It's not saying he's not responsible, it's saying both had very different lives that lead to who they were.

If it doesn't change the fact that he's responsible for joining the Wizard Nazis, what is the relevance of bringing it up as a reply to that?

Do I have to repeat myself?

Both had entirely different lives. James had his entire life handed to him on a silver platter. Someone like Snape is more likely to fall into a cult looking for a place to fit in than someone who's rich and popular.

But it's not an excuse for joining the Wizard Nazis, so why are you treating it like one?

I’m not? I’m pointing out the difference between James and Snape.

There are a lot of differences between them! The question is, what's the relevance of those differences

The relevance has already been pointed out to you.

DA

I'm just baffled this thread devolved from "was what James did wrong?" to "was Snape a terrible person?"

Because if Snape was terrible it means they can justify his abuse.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-06-23 02:37 (UTC) - Expand

That is always what this argument is actually about

100% of the time

I must have missed it - do you mind repeating it? The only things that we've established, as far as I can tell, are:

1) Snape was bullied and lonely and didn't have a support network
2) Snape chose to join the Wizard Nazis, unlike other people, and is morally responsible for that choice

(Anonymous) - 2018-06-23 02:29 (UTC) - Expand

People with shitty lives who did not join a nazi cult: Remus Lupin, Rubeus Hagrid, Neville Longbottom, Albus Dumbledore (bonus, he dated a nazi and still did not join a cult), etc, etc. Also the Malfoys and Blacks seem to be extremely well-off and well-connected and are still shitty people who fell in with a cult so that's not really a great indicator of who ends up where.

Most if not all of those examples had a positive support network that Snape did not.

Also Dumbledore actually shared more Nazi-like beliefs than Snape did.

Yeah, the man who was discriminated against for something he had no control in, the man who was orphaned as a child and falsely accused/expelled at 13, and the boy whose parents were driven so insane by torture they didn't recognize him had GREAT support networks.

Also I'm not denying Dumbledore was also a dick but he definitely didn't join up with the nazis.

Yes. Lupin had the Marauders who went out of their way to make him feel accepted to the point they became animaguses for him. Neville had Harry and co. who constantly stood by him. And idk about Hagrid’s peers but he at least had a good father whereas Snape did not.