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[(Anonymous)]

It actually kind of makes sense to me? Like, I don't think that there are any other characters from LotR that are any better suited for a spinoff. So if they want to make a series based on an existing character, he's probably as good a choice as any (IMO).

And if they don't want to do that, their options are (a) make up a new character, who would probably suck or (b) use legendarium characters and stories, which they're realistically never in a million years going to do, and which I don't think they would execute successfully even if they did it. (I also personally feel that legendarium stuff would be less interesting than Aragorn stuff, but I accept that's just my feeling and other people are more into the legendarium stuff than I am)

And, I don't know, I just feel like there's a lot of interesting stuff you can do in the setting with Young Aragorn. There's potential there, if they really execute on the world-building and aesthetic and atmosphere.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, I think Elrond would have been as good a choice. You have a seriously epic amount of material to choose from in Elrond's life story, from the War of Wrath to the first war against Sauron, the establishment of Imladris, the Last Alliance, the war against Angmar , up to the late Third Age and the War of the Ring. I mean, it could also be a problem in that there's too much choice with Elrond, but if you wanted like GoT-style blood and drama, the Third Kinslaying's your game, what with the whole 'refuge sacked and family separated by Feanorians, two of which find him and his brother and promptly capture/adopt and briefly raise them' thing. Then the War of Wrath, at the end of which his brother up and decides to become mortal, leaving Elrond to basically watch over his descendants forever. Then the first war against Sauron and the Last Alliance gives you the whole running war, elven last stand, death of the Noldor in Middle Earth, establishment of Rivendell angle. In the third age there's the war against the Witch King, the whole story with Celebrian and his kids, and the slow lead up to the War of the Ring. There's a lot of meaty stuff there.

Elrond goes from a kid separated from his family in one of the greatest betrayals in elven history, taken and partially raised by their enemies, to perhaps the single most respected elf remaining in Middle Earth during the War of the Ring, having established and defended his Refuge against Sauron for near enough two ages and lost huge chunks of his family in the process. I mean. There's a lot to work with there. Again, possibly too much, even for a TV series, but you could pick a part to focus on. I'd love a series focused on the run up to the Last Alliance, personally. We did get a lead into it from the prologue of LotR, and there's a lot of room to play around with both flashbacks to the Kinslayings/War of Wrath and foreshadowing up to the War of the Ring.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
I like both Elrond and Aragorn. They could actually include a lot of Elrond as he plays a magor role in Aragorn's upbringing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but the bits of Elrond's life we'd see through the lens of Aragorn's aren't really the bits I'm most interested in. We'd get a lot of connection back to Elros and Numenor in particular, yes, between Aragorn's ancestry and his love for Arwen, Celebrian as well, and possibly a bit of Maglor and Maedhros given how Aragorn winds up with him, and then Isildur obviously, but all of that would be flashback material at best. The rest is all late Third Age Elrond, and frankly we've already seen a lot of that. Aragorn's time frame really isn't the best for adding more to Elrond than we've already seen.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, like you say, I think the problem with Elrond is that there's just too much there - it doesn't really have one, singular hook that you can sink your teeth into. And you're inevitably going to have to deal with the more complex, intense legendarium and backstory, which I have to think that they want to avoid.

I'm definitely not saying that Elrond isn't interesting from a story point of view, it's more that I can't see a major Hollywood studio wanting to tell that story.

[(Anonymous)]

Damn. Now you've made me want that show. I love Elrond!

[(Anonymous)]

Literally any of the hobbits would be a thousand times more interesting than Aragorn. But of course they'd rather go grimdark and hobbits are too cheerful, aren't they?

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't have said most hobbits led particularly interesting lives? Unless you're taking one of the more adventurous Took ancestors, like Bullroarer or Belladonna, or you're setting it after the War of the Ring (taking say Merry or Pippin).

Or, I suppose, if you wanted to do something with the Shiriffs or the Bounders. A Shire version of Midsomer Murders mightn't be the worst thing you could watch.

Failing that, though, isn't a show about most hobbits going to be basically the Middle Earth version of Emmerdale? Or at best Heartbeat?

[(Anonymous)]

I'd still watch it.

point though, hobbits are not the grimdark adventures of Middle-Earth. The Bullroarer would be interesting because of the whole, last time a battle was ever fought in the Shire until the end of the Third Age, but I'd definitely be more interested in following post-Ring Merry and/or Pippin than adolescent Aragorn. He didn't even *do* anything until the war, aside from wander and moon over Arwen.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, post-war Merry and Pippin didn't do all that much either, iifc. They mostly stayed in the Shire, married, became Master of Buckland and Thain respectively, had some kids, and then in the last few years of their lives went south again one last time. If the series followed movie continuity, you couldn't even add in the rebuilding of the Shire, since the movies omitted the Scouring. Even with them, it'd still be mostly Middle Earth Emmerdale.

Also to be fair, Aragorn was running around Rohan and Gondor in disguise for quite a while, helping discover and fight various agents of Sauron, as well as exploring more of Middle Earth than we've seen yet. So. He did do some things.

IDK. If what you wanted out a show was a non-grimdark Middle Earth adventure, then Belladonna or Bullroarer might be good. Most hobbits, though, you're running into a problem of crossed audiences. Most people do look to Middle Earth for adventure, not a pastoral fantasy soap opera. I mean, it's there, but it's usually the thing the characters have to leave/return to, rather than the focus itself.

[(Anonymous)]

A Shire version of Midsomer Murders mightn't be the worst thing you could watch.

Agreed.

Someone once suggested a series based on the law firm Grubb, Grubb and Burrowes. I would totally watch that. Also I think Lobelia should get her own series.

Elrond's story probably isn't covered by the terms of the contract that Amazon has with the Estate. maybe if they get Young Aragorn right, they might get the chance to do more?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean... I would definitely watch a hobbit-centric show but I just can't imagine that being very popular. Hobbits are just so domestic and pastoral.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not even a big Aragorn fan, but I'm so over hobbits.

[(Anonymous)]

Gandalf is right there. Wandering around Middle-earth, getting involved in everything...

[(Anonymous)]

I actually was going to mention Gandalf! But I don't think he'd actually be a better choice - he would be about as good as Aragorn, but not actively better, you know?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, book!Aragorn’s whole purpose is to be a red herring for Sauron... so I agree?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree (and I think using Aragorn is also a hook for casual fans) but I also think younger Aragorn is a great choice to show off that vast world. He travels, gets involved in various things, knows lots of different groups of people, and has a long time being a ranger. I mean, I'd love the Gandalf show too, but that would be a very different thing.

[(Anonymous)]

In my ideal world, Aragorn winds up being like Hercules in the 90s TV show, aka the catalyst for the adventures of much more interesting characters, and also almost everyone's bi.

[(Anonymous)]

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