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Well, there’s always His Dark Materials.

(Do not read His Dark Materials. It is overrated and frustrating.)

I thought the first book was pretty good, but... the second book was dull and the third infuriating.

All that great potential, frittered away on asskissing.

At this point they might be underrated because people have been calling them overrated for so long? I don't even know.

The thing with them is that the first book is basically perfect, and the second and third books are deeply and painfully flawed, but they're flawed in ways that are very visible when you're first reading them, and you don't have a roadmap for what to expect, but that maybe get somewhat easier to overlook as time goes by. It's kind of up to the reader to decide whether they want to deal with Pullman's didactic atheism, the same way that you can make a choice whether or not you want to deal with Lewis' religiosity.

IMO

what's wrong with his dark materials?

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(Anonymous) - 2018-06-27 02:37 (UTC) - Expand

(Anonymous) - 2018-06-27 03:14 (UTC) - Expand

Well, dont read book 3.

I loved 1 and 2 as a kid.

His Dark Materials was basically written as an anti-Narnia, right?

Do read His Dark Materials- it's a delight!

(Anonymous) - 2018-06-27 16:04 (UTC) - Expand

I strongly disagree and would highly recommend it.

Yes, OP, I agree, people shouldn't read Narnia

Most people know him as an author of children's books, not as a theologian.

+1

I had no idea he was a theologian

This. But then again I have never read the books and I never really got any religious overtones from the movies.

Wait, what is this sentiment? That people shouldn't be critical of stuff, and that people can't be fans of something while simultaneously thinking it would be better if some of the elements were different?

I really don't this Lewis is a "famous theologian" today. He's a famous fantasy author today. While it's pretty common knowledge that there are religious undertones in the story, most of it can be taken at face value without realizing it's supposed to be religious - especially if you're a kid.

More like if you choose to read books you KNOW have a religious element, you sound like a fool to complain about it, because you could have avoided it easily and it's self inflicted

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(Anonymous) - 2018-06-27 00:39 (UTC) - Expand

I had to read the Narnia books in third grade, and enjoyed them, until someone (probably the teacher) mentioned that Aslan=Jesus. This was after some neighbor kids had invited me along to Sunday school, where the teacher and students first recoiled in horror because I’d never been to church before and barely knew who Jesus was, then told me I’d roast in hell because I wasn’t baptized, then had to explain what hell was. I left crying hysterically and never went back.

I like my fantasy without stealth Jesus.

Wow, that's fucked up!

Okay but, like, Child Me didn't know this until she was fifteen because I grew up in an area where everything was so Christian you didn't notice when shit was stealth Christianity because it was Normal.

Now that I'm a grown-up pagan is frustrates an angers me that something so good is all a religious allegory for Good ~~Christian~~ Kids Who Do What ~~God~~ Aslan Says Will Go To ~~Heaven~~ Narnia While That One Chick Who Liked Dressing Up And Looking Nice And Being Not Stereotypically Christian Housewife-like Doesn't Get To. (Seriously, fuck the treatment Susan got in the end.)

I thought it was more because she stopped believing in Narnia?
I was more disturbed by all those people who didn't even know Narnia existed (including their parents!) dying in that damn train wreck. That and apparently everybody in heaven does nothing but run and eat fruit. Big fucking deal. If I died and Heaven turned out to be some cheap weight loss spa I'd be damn mad. You'd think a writer as imaginative and devout as C.S. Lewis could think up a better heaven.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-06-27 06:42 (UTC) - Expand

nah I'm with you OP...these days there's enough information and biography anywhere that anyone who's unfamiliar with C.S. Lewis could find out in one click that he writes Christian allegory (and that Tolkien made fun of him for it).

But what gets me is that everyone's all up Narnia's ass and no one's ever read Out of the Silent Planet and Perelandra. I mean, the allegory is equally heavy-handed but it's pretty good scifi for pre-space-race era literature. Anyone who thinks all Lewis can do is write simplistic childish lit has clearly never branched out past Narnia.

(don't read This Hideous Strength though. Dear god not only did he lose the plot, the plot never showed up in the first place)

Okay but how many people actually research authors before they read their books just in case those authors have specialist backgrounds in other fields? Like seriously? Especially if those authors are primarily world famous for writing fantasy novels?

(Anonymous) - 2018-06-27 05:57 (UTC) - Expand

Agreed. Lazy 8-year-olds need to do their research before reading children's fantasy authors.

I read the Narnia books as a kid, and I loved them. I was so surprised when I found out as an adult that he was a Christian and that Aslan was supposed to be God. I just saw it as a cool fantasy story!

(Anonymous) - 2018-06-27 14:05 (UTC) - Expand

I was raised in a religious home. I read them when I was a kid. I loved them so much that I re-read the series every year or so. I was an adult when I realized how religious they were. *shrugs*

I mean, I'm probably not the only one who first read these books as a child and didn't know anything about the author beforehand.