[ SECRET POST #4193 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4193 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Well, yeah - that way, folks can project whatever dynamic they want onto it, and throw them into any given AU or crossover without difficulty.

[(Anonymous)]

What you're describing applies to the writing of them in fandom but not the trends of what people ship. Like...how could that be so broadly true?

[type_wild]

This hasn't always been my experience; however, a lot of fanwork will portray these pairings as a lot blander than they could've potentially been.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I think it's less about the ships themselves than how they get written.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a good point, tbh. I'll always remember wondering what kind of ships people liked in the Until Dawn fandom after I'd finished the game, seeing Chris/Josh was one of them, and thinking "...okay, I guess that could be interesting?"

But 99% of the fics were all pre-game cutesy teen bff romance fics, totally ignoring any & all of the actual horror/fucked up elements in the story. The extent that they went to to turn a ridiculously emotionally damaged mentally ill character (who spends the entire game acting out on those traits in the worst possible way) into some generic sweet high school boy with no problems at all was fucking astounding, honestly. It may as well have been a couple of OCs.

So...

[(Anonymous)]

Not Harry Potter, or Supernatural, or MCU, or Hannibal.

Re: So...

[(Anonymous)]

First of all, are really there any non-fucked up ships in Hannibal? Or Supernatural, for that matter.

Second, what are we considering the most popular Harry Potter and MCU ships?

Re: So...

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

1) Probably not, so like I wrote, not bland or boring.

2) Harry Potter: Harry/Draco and Harry/Snape spring immediately to mind, but I guess Sirius and Remus would count. MCU: At least one of them would be Thor/Loki, but Steve/Bucky, Steve/Tony, Clint/Coulson, and Clint/Natasha would probably also be popular pairings. And if you ignore everything about their backgrounds, their dynamics, and what happens to them in canon, I guess they could be bland and boring, but I think you'd have to be trying.

Re: So...

[(Anonymous)]

I find Harry/Draco super bland as usually written. Schoolboy antagonism => Most Cliched Possible Pigtail Pulling With Pining And Woobie Draco Every Time

hetwise there's also H/Hr, Hr/R and Hr/Snape, of which the first two could conceivably be pretty bland, though I haven't read them much

Dean/Cas tends to have a blandening effect on both of them as well I think, but less
pronounced

Re: So...

[(Anonymous)]

But is OP saying that the fans gravitate towards ships that are already bland, or that fans take originally interesting ships and make them bland?

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[(Anonymous)]

i'm not a mind reader but I think OP is mostly saying that the *find juggernaut pairings in fic bland*, with no reason/source necessarily given

Re: So...

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I mean, I get how they can be written blandly or boringly. I just don't think they are inherently bland or boring. With Harry/Draco, yeah you can get just the schoolboy antagonism, but there is the whole magical Nazis, the attempted murder, the maiming, the sacrifice, the child abuse, etc. that should be part of their dynamic as it is certainly part of their characters. Likewise, the Angel/supernatural hunter itself isn't bland unless it is made so.

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[(Anonymous)]

as a *shipping dynamic* though, for the first five books there was nothing there except 'we fight a bunch, and the audience thinks we're both hot, therefore it's looove', and that set the standards and conventions for the pairing, and even book 6's canon obsession felt blunt and one-note in the same way

the absence of actual chemistry or mutuality or complexity or convoluted power dynamics or whatever in canon is a big part of the blandness to me. Conversely, I think any pairing can be written engagingly, especially in a fandom like HP where you can bring in the lushness of the world and the stakes of the canon plot, but the pairing in itself is shallow, and most of the fic stays in that mold for me

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[(Anonymous)]

I mean, with that kind of secret, it always comes down to individual (and therefore highly subjective) taste. Taking HP for an example: Drarry, Wolfstar, and Jily are bland as all fuck in my opinion – but seeing how they're incredibly popular with a large chunk of the fandom, there are obviously many, many people who disagree with me* on that front.

In part, it also boils down to tropes you like or dislike, not to mention popular fanon interpretations which can be kind of hit or miss as well. I guess what I'm saying is that trying to find a 'right' or 'wrong' here will always just end with people running in circles.

*obviously, fandom is all about live and let live, and no one's better or worse for liking or disliking something, just in case someone's about to get mad here

[dahli]

NAME NAMES!!!

Or examples. I'll settle for examples.

[(Anonymous)]

I made this secret in a Secrets You're Too Lazy To Make thread and someone else took the effort, but mostly I think it's what people above have said. The ships are usually potentially interesting but written so they're all a bunch of interchangeable tropes and not interesting, and it makes sense cos if it's bland more people are likely to enjoy it. I just like my ships with bite.

[dahli]

Ah, I see and I definitely agree.

[(Anonymous)]

tbh i think it's more that fandom takes a pairing that's interesting and dumps whichever tropes that are common for the permutation they belong to, slash/femslash/het, and turns them into a bland and boring version of their canon counterparts as a result.

or at least that's been my experience.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm looking at you, Detroit: Become Human fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, I'm surprised how popular Hank/Connor is considering how ageist fandom can be.

[(Anonymous)]

the urge to ship white cock is stronger than the ageist leaning of fandom

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, this was my secret from a thread! Thank you, secret maker.