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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-07-10 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #4206 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4206 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2018-07-10 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't understand what people's sexual identity has to do with it.

(Anonymous) 2018-07-10 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Sexual identities in contemporary society are linked to specific subcultural expressions that we can talk meaningfully about, even while still realizing that it's not contiguous with the spectrum of sexual identities in its totality.

(Anonymous) 2018-07-10 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Can someone translate this, please?

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
if I'm not mistaken (and the poster isn't trolling)

The particular expressions of a sexual identity group (i.e. sexual identities> subgroup > straight people) can be spoken about in a way that is not merely at face value (i.e. straight people talking about sexual tension as more than just two vaguely attractive people glancing at each other, but what are the elements that suggest there is something more happening? What is the cultural context and historical background of the society and what would be considered sexual advances in this society? what of the relationship between the two people? etc, maybe go deeper etc) while realizing that the particular instance being spoken about can vary when looking at all of the identities and contexts therein.

Did I only obfuscate the meaning? Basically, from what I gather, chemistry can mean a lot of different things to many different people, even if you and your friends think chemistry means A, someone else can see it as B.

I'd argue there is a point to that, but it seems to be that the basis for tensions or chemistry is a mix of the characters finding each other in some way attractive but something holds either character back from acting on any desires. The attraction and desire must be mutual. Just my two cents. Or at least that's how I've always seen sexual tension. I'll admit my bias as a straight lady, but I've seen similar tension written for men & men or women & women. He'll, I thought there was chemistry between Morgana and Morgaine in Arthur! Only later d I'd I realize they were sisters. For chemistry, the characters must create an energy together.

Even if this was all for a troll, it was fun to write.

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
"Gay culture" is a thing that exists and that we can talk about, even while we also know that it doesn't include all gay people worldwide and that there's an infinite number of ways to be queer.

So, more specifically to the secret - it's possible to talk about ways of understanding attraction or approaching the world that are connected to specific queer communities, and have historically grown out of those communities, without that necessarily being true of all people in a given sexual identity. And - to me - that's what OP is doing.

So, in other words, the answer to the question "what does sexual identity have to do with it" is that sexual identity doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it. At the same time, there are all kinds of things in gay or lesbian culture that could easily have something to do with it. And this is how I think we should understand OP's secret.

(Anonymous) 2018-07-10 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm a lesbian and I don't get straight chemistry in movies 95% of the time. I see people mention amazing chemistry and I'm like, oh... that's it? While a little spark of chemistry between two female characters makes me ears perk up like a dog who saw a squirrel.

(Anonymous) 2018-07-10 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
OK, but you don't speak for all lesbians?

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
Da

They never said they did?

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
But apparently Kylo/Ren shippers speak for all hets. See how that's just as stupid?

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
You're really trying to be offended, aren't you?

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 10:00 am (UTC)(link)
So
Man looks at woman, smiles, jokes, she responds in kind, and you Don't Get It Because You're Gay?
But woman glances shyly at other woman and OMG CHEMISTRY
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(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Nayrt but for me, yes. Smiling and jokimy with a friend has never come across as flirting to me but always seems to mean romance in badly written straight pairings.

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
unironically yes

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't see why that's hard to believe. A lesbian obviously not interested in romantic interactions between men and women so they don't find any chemistry in those type of interactions.

Let it be known that "chemistry" is highly subjective and varies from person to person. What works for one person might leave another completely cold.
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[personal profile] morieris 2018-07-10 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
There's some kind of subculture where people believe straight couples are only together because they don't know better and scream at each other and call it love and that same sex couples are perfect and free of abuse.

Like straight people have their heteronormative annoyances and may put themselves into boxes without thinking if they want or enjoy it but imagining same sex couples have no problems isn't helpful or true.

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
Pretty sure this is the correct answer.

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Though I can see what OP means, you are right. It's a trend on tumblr/twitter that if you are straight or white you're opinions are not valid and frequently delusional.

I agree there is no sexual tension between Reylo but being straight has nothing to do with it.

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a trend on tumblr/twitter that if you are straight or white you're opinions are not valid and frequently delusional.

I think those things are often rhetorical expressions, and not seriously promulgating or endorsing those ideas as generally true.

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe so, but after a couple of hundred variants of the same, it gets mighty old to read if you are in the target group. And of course, utterly not allowed to complain.

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
so unfollow people, or whatever

I get that you're annoyed and I'm not saying that's wrong

(Anonymous) 2018-07-11 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Boo hoo.