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⌈ Secret Post #581 ⌋

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102. Puzzled by one detail: "almost everyone she knew and loved lived here". Erm, whom?

ETA: I've completely withdrawn from the section of Doctor Who fandom I've been hanging around in for years. There's a lot about it I don't miss one bit. But gods, I miss teh funneh. "PC Handy"?! FTW!

126. Not even slightly pathetic. Distracting yourself with something amusing is a very good way of getting some relief from anxiety, depression, and feelings of wanting to hurt yourself. (It's only a bandaid, though. If you haven't already, let a doctor know how you're feeling.)

135. Knit a little one for the cat!

159. As heartbreaking and awful as it was, it disturbs me a little when people call it "mind-rape". It's not analogous to sexual assault, which has no redeeming fatures whatsoever, but to life-saving medical treatment given against the patients' wishes, which is more morally ambiguous. The Doctor can't bear to watch Donna die; he'd rather give up her companionship. It's selfish and generous, which rape could never be.

171. Post secrets in your native languages! Seriously, that would be brilliant! If nothing else, I'd like to see the multilingual equivalents of "I ship it". :-)

Edited 2008-08-08 23:53 (UTC)

Re #159: thank you. I was beginning to think I was the only one who felt this way about the secret submitted.

Mind rape...ISN'T sexual assault. It is...mental assault. Hence, you know, MIND rape. Which is completely and totally what he did.

OK, lemme break this down.

What the Doctor did to Donna is analogous to sexual assault in two ways. Firstly, it was against her consent. Secondly, it was a deep violation of her person.

What he did is not analogous to sexual assault in one very important way: he did it to save her life.

That's why I'm uncomfortable with using the word "rape" to describe the Doctor's action. It was heartbreaking and horrible, and you can make a good case that it was wrong; but show me the rapist who saved his victim's life.

Forcing life-saving treatment on someone is a better analogy. It's against their consent, it's a deep violation of their person - but it's done out of selfishness and love, not selfishness and hate.

But she chose to die. To be with him, as she said, until the day she died. The Doctor took that choice away from her, and assaulted her mentally. There is no love there, at all. The fact that he saved her life is what makes it a mindrape. She did not want to be saved, and you can say he did it with concern and love in his heart, but that does not make it any less a mindrape.

There is no love there, at all.

Here I'm afraid we must agree to disagree.

It's not analogous to sexual assault, which has no redeeming fatures whatsoever, but to life-saving medical treatment given against the patients' wishes, which is more morally ambiguous.

Not really. If a patient said they didn't want a certain treatment even if it would save their life, it would be morally, ethically, and legally wrong for a doctor to force it on them.

Good point. But do the Doctor and Donna have a doctor-patient relationship?

171. Somebody tried that. It didn't get posted. :/

Hmm... probably needs a translation included, so that teh mods can work out if it's a secret and if it's fandom and all that.

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