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[ SECRET POST #4225 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4225 ⌋

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05. https://i.imgur.com/qdRQgHW.png

I feel the same about Killmonger

God yeah, why does anyone feel bad for that asshole? I get he had a rough childhood and he's rightfully pointing out the institutionalized racism that black people outside of Wakanda face. But he's a murderous piece of shit. I didn't even think he deserved a gentle sunset death. I was pretty surprised the movie even went that direction, or why anyone thinks his death scene was poignant.

I mean, I can understand it more with Killmonger because he did have actual redeeming qualities and some kind of justified political arguments. He's still a villain overall but like, you can have people who are undeniably villains and bad people that you still feel bad for.

Wait, what were his redeeming qualities? Honest question, because I have zero recollection of them. Besides having a sympathetic childhood, I don't remember anything about him being morally gray. His political arguments are literally to kill all the white people as well as all the black people that stand in his way.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-07-29 22:18 (UTC) - Expand

Uh, I gotta agree with the other anon who replied: while Killmonger might be a more charismatic villain, he didn't really have any more redeeming qualities or justified stance than Thanos. "Murder people to 'fix' the problem" isn't a viable solution to any argument, political or otherwise.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-07-29 22:44 (UTC) - Expand

His defining moment for me was him killing his girlfriend without a second thought.

I didn't feel bad for the girlfriend, who was also presumably a murdering criminal, but he was killing innocent people. When he killed that old guy in Wakanda, you knew he was a total sociopath.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-07-30 02:54 (UTC) - Expand

I liked him as a character but I don't necessarily feel super bad for him?

Like I can see how he ended up like he did and if life had given him a different hand he could have been a different person, which wasn't meant to be which is where some vague sympathy comes in for me, he wasn't really given much of a chance after T'Chaka killed his dad and left him orphaned.

But the dude was still 100% down with murdering anyone that got in his way, his girlfriend included, he had some good points within his rhetoric, but he was still very much a bad dude.

Fun character though.

I feel bad for him less because he has ~redeeming~ qualities than because he's so damn *tragic*, and I mean that in like...a greek drama sense, more than a freudian excuse woobie sense.

to me the most tragic thing about him isn't the dead dad, it's whole weight of the postcolonial narrative - he wants to return to his wakandan heritage but the only path out of poverty that he sees available to him is the military, which trains him and uses him to commit more atrocities, and even when he's not working for the CIA anymore he's still using their playbook. when he burns the sacred grove and ross straight up admits he learned that from us, from the people he wants most to fight against with Wakanda's strength, but now he's still doing it because that's how he knows how to fight - that's poetic greek tragedy type shit.

And the structure of the film ties it to the inescapable legacy of colonial violence globally, so it has that proper Inescapable Tragic Weight feel to it, even if on an individual level he still always has a choice. And Michael B Jordan sells the hell out of Killmonger as someone who's resonating with and being an avatar for that pain, and it's bigger than one person could ever be and he fails to beat it and be better.

And T'Challa is the hero because he *is* better than the legacy of his forebears - but he had a much better foundation for it.

I suspect that whether people feel sympathy for Killmonger probably comes down to whether they're willing/able to engage with the film on that level, or whether they stick on the literal and individual. And honest to god, that's not a criticism! There are plenty of other pieces of media that I know are doing a thematic thing but I can't get over object-level things that are unforgivable to me.

Different people will be swept away by the evocative choices of some texts but not others, and that's okay.

Thanks for saying this so well - it's why I thought Killmonger was an effective villain.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-07-30 17:11 (UTC) - Expand

Agreed OP.

(Not that I've seen any fanart like this, I just feel no sympathy for the guy).

He was purple? To me, he looked mauve-ish pink at best, but often more of a salmon color. Must have been the lighting.

Yeah, I had no idea how anyone could feel a modicum of sympathy for that guy. He was a big ugly mass murdering asshole, and even his "sympathetic" angle - that he cared about Gamorra - was creepy as fuck. The writing in that movie was just not good enough to pull that off, which made the weird attempts to make his sympathetic really fall flat for me.

Art like the one pictured? Just makes me sad for Gamora.

Hard same.

Same. I was already low on sympathy for Thanos to be fair but seeing his tears when he decided to throw his apparently most loved child to her death just pissed me off. Didn't feel bad for him at all no matter how many times the writers or directors or fanboys try to tell me to.

Neither could I. I don't buy his "Balance out the Universe" BS and I hope it is revealed to be BS in the next film. As far as I'm concerned, his actual motivation is the same as his comic book counterpart: he's an entitled fuckboy who can't take no for an answer. He's just chosen this "Balance Out the Universe" bit to make himself sound more noble.

Seriously, though! Death is just not that into you! She's too busy dating this guy whose name is...well, I know it's something involving death and a body water...Deathpond maybe? ;)

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(Anonymous) - 2018-07-30 05:30 (UTC) - Expand

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rivulet027 - 2018-07-31 04:33 (UTC) - Expand

Another reason I think Thanos is full of shit, presented courtesy of Pinterest:

https://pin.it/qw2twn3tzmskj4

This a thousand times.

Same, and for Nebula.

His horrific abuse of Nebula should be enough of a reason to not sympathize with him.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-07-30 18:43 (UTC) - Expand

For serious. She deserved a hell of a lot better.

The whole strained relationship between Gamora and Nebula also makes it really hard to sympathize with Thanos.

So, other people aren't allowed to have different opinions than you? I have no problem with your disliking him and having no sympathy. But resenting fanartists/authors who have a different opinion than you? That I have a problem with. Their opinions aren't hurting you. Just avoid their art.

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