[ SECRET POST #582 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #582 ⌋

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Comments

Re: 154

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

But Steph is the only female Robin in continuity, and so deserves to have focus much the same way Dick, Jason and Tim do-- as part of the Batfamily. Being summarily killed off without even as much acknowledgment as the Robin fans voted to kill off? It's sort of an encapsulation of all the issues a lot of female fans have with the treatment of female heroes.

Re: 154

[geministar01.livejournal.com]

"Not as much ackowledgement"? They killed her off in such a way that even people like me, who hated the chracter to the core, felt *sorry* for her. She even got that scene at the end with Batman, the whole "Was I really Robin?" exchange that makes me gag but actually *acknowledged* that she had the suit once-upon-a-time. Not to mention, she haunted Tim, Bruce *and* Cass on seperate occasions before Dixon's cop-out revival of her, whereas Jason only got a few appearances pestering Bruce in the year before Tim showed up. And by that I mean that Steph, as a person, was there in their memories, not just some stupid case being a symbol of angst. She got *way* more than Jason just because that's how the narrartive style of modern comics is like.

What's more, everyone acts like she was killed off because she was a girl, which makes no sense. It seemed to *me* that they killed her off because she had become a rather uninteresting character who had very little place in the Batman world outside of female fans' self-insersion fantasies.

Re: 154

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

She got pretty much nothing after her death, whereas Jason was memorialized and acknowledged as a Robin afterwards. He was mentioned when they talked about Robins. Steph was pretty much effaced until Dixon's "cop-out" brought her back.

Dude, they've kept less interesting characters around.

Personally, I'd argue she was, is, and could have been an interesting character (especially if she'd faced the aftermath of the war she helped cause), but somehow I doubt we'll see eye-to-eye on that.

Re: 154

[geministar01.livejournal.com]

Steph, as a *character*, haunted Tim's thoughts right up until his father's death; physically came back at least once, if not twice, to haunt Batgirl; remained in the back of Bruce's mind even during a slightly crazy halucination and remained enough of a guilt-stamp on Oracle's mind that she still hasn't offically allowed Misfit on the streets. And Steph was only dead for what, three, maybe four years?

On the other hand, Jason got a case, which turned him into a faceless *symbol* of failure, and only came back as a character once, when somebody was playing with Bruce's mind. And that's in over a decade of death. I'd say that Steph got the better deal.

And yeah, they've kept less interesting characters around, but who's ever thanked them for it? You've got two options with a useless character: write them into limbo, or kill 'em off. Which one you do just depends on what story element they need.

You're probably right on that last point. I'm still too annoyed over the mess that Dixon made out of Robin this past half-a-year to really feel any love for the character. (It's not that they brought her back that makes me so mad, it's that they brought her back with a FANFIC LEVEL STORY full of plotholes, half-assed subplots and completely inexplicable character reactions that makes me so mad.)

Re: 154

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

The mess that Dixon made? Okay... I'm gonna go over there for a while. It's been nice talking to you, but since I've enjoyed Dixon's run more than any other treatment of Robin in my books this year, I'm gonna say we have irreconcilable differences and leave it at that.