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How is being critical of self-destructive behavior in an erst-while role model "deeply shitty"?

addiction

Oh. Addiction makes them sing and talk about how great doing Xanax is.

Apparently no one is ever responsible for their own terrible, stupid life choices, somehow.

I can already tell this is going to be a deeply stupid thread, fuck me.

I think the time immediately after someone's death - while it's not impervious to all judgment - does demand a certain amount of empathy and an attempt at understanding. In many cases of drug ODs, the choices that someone made involve a lot of stupidity, and also frequently the presence of addiction, which is a real thing, a real disease, that's immensely hard to overcome. Even if someone made the choices that ultimately led them down that path, I think it's appropriate to be empathetic towards the end result and the suffering that they went through. I think looking at it through some kind of morally superior "Well, you chose to do drugs, so you deserved everything else that happened to you" is some fucked-ass shit, and I don't understand it.

This. Very well put.

This.

THANK YOU. So many people seem to lack basic empathy.

Yes addiction is a disease. But like any disease if you CHOOSE to not treat it then it's on you. No one should get a free pass for being an asshole or promoting others to fall down the hole of addiction.

As someone who’s lost my mom, her parents, her older brother, my dad, and his older brother to drug and/or alcohol addiction, fuck you. I’ve never taken any illegal drugs or otc ones stronger than ibuprofen, drank alcohol, or smoked cigarettes, and my relatives who picked themselves up over and over to go to rehab yet again are just as dead as the ones that committed suicide because they couldn’t take it anymore. Only one of them was a terrible person who encouraged others to join him; the rest desperately wanted to not be addicts anymore and didn’t want company in their misery.

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Just wanted to pass along my condolences to you. I'm so sorry you and your family have had to experience that much loss.

But like any disease if you CHOOSE to not treat it then it's on you.

It fucks with your mind

regardless of whether this is true

(and it's about as nuanced as a block of mozzarella)

is it really the kind of message that people need shoved into their faces while grieving someone who meant something important to them?

like. for fuck's sake, if you're ~concerned about the children~ it's an opportunity to say, hey, this person *struggled* with drugs and it *hurt* them, regardless of how much they sometimes claimed to enjoy themselves (or how irresponsible you think they are, despite having a supremely distorted view that our culture allows for public figures) and this is what drugs do

sympathies to them being gone and you missing them, because fuck drugs

is so much more effective as a counter-message to "drugs are cool" than "fuck that person you worship, they deserved to die and you're dumb for liking them"

that's only going to hurt people who are already hurting and convince no one (and probably spur on some users just out of spite, let's be real)

You know the most likely time for people to overdose and die is immediately after completing rehab, right? They CHOSE to put in the hard work treating their problem, their tolerance goes back to normal levels, and then the next hit is fatal (or often, antidepressants or sleeping medication they're prescribed to help the medical transition combine with the drugs in question, especially alcohol, for a fatal result).

Yeah, overcoming addiction is just like how people can choose to get depression and snap out of it at will. All those drugs you get described for mental illness are also necessary. It's THAT easy to snap out of addiction.

lmao fuck you.

As a person dealing with depression, fuck you, you're a piece of shit. Don't ever dare comparing depression to addiction. Depression isn't something you choose, but doing drugs is, smoking or driking alcohol is. So yeah, fuck you. Don't compare prople who are sick to retards who willingly choose to ruin their lives.

As someone who is also dealing with depression, fuck YOU. It's not a perfect comparison but addiction is - in fact - a disease. You are wrong about what addiction is, and acting like a fucking dick towards people with different problems than yours doesn't help anyone.

As a person with both depression and addiction issues, +1

Rarely do people have the latter without the former, in fact.

It's amazing how many depressed people manage to not become junkies.

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Disease or not, you have to make a conscious choice to start doing drugs in the first place. Everyone knows that drugs are addictive and dangerous; it's an exceedingly well-known fact. They're deliberately CREATED to be addictive. You know damn well what you're getting into if you start taking drugs, it's not like you can accidentally become addicted to drugs. Alcohol or painkillers? Sure. Things like heroin and meth? No.

Wow this is a lot of ignorance stuffed into a short comment. Do you have any idea how common it is to get addicted to alcohol or prescription pain meds and end up taking illegal drugs instead or in addition? Addiction isn’t any more moral or less destructive when it’s to legal substances, jfc.

My dad was the most health obsessed person I have ever met, and then he got shingles and stung by a stingray in the same month. It was right as Oxycontin was taking off, and he became an addict, first to it and then to anything he could get his hands on.

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Not really a good comparison. There can be hereditary components to addiction, but a big part of that is the lifestyle choices a person makes. I'm not sure you can say that about depression. Also the discussion isn't about choosing to be sick, it's about a person's behavior (which they're still responsible for) and choosing to seek help.

There are people out there claiming depression is about lifestyle choices, too. And one of my relatives got shingles and stung by a stingray just as a new painkiller called Oxytocin was taking off, ended up addicted to pain meds, and when that supply dried up, moved on to whatever he could get.

I dread ever being in an accident or serious prolonged pain for that reason. And my chances of being an alcoholic (or suicidal) are ridiculously high. My mom’s entire family barring her older brother died alcohol related deaths and both my parents committed suicide.

My choices to avoid alcohol and suicide, as an addiction prone depressed person, are gonna look significantly different from, and be a lot harder than, the choices of someone without my family history, and there’s been a lot of luck/weird circumstances that helped keep me alive, clean, and sober that so far as I know no one else in my family (all but two uncles are dead, btw) was that lucky. I hope my luck in avoiding their life circumstances never runs out.

It's ridiculous. Every time I see some news regarding celebrity addicts or general fuckups they treat it like the tragedies befalling them is never their fault? It's either the environment, childhood trauma, parents, the time they tripped and fell when they were 2 years old that snowballed into a huge trauma and never their choice.

Do they do it so to provoke some sympathy from us, or is it that they want us to never assume any kind of responsibility in our lives?

this is such a weird comment to me

tragedy can be someone's own damn fault and still be fucking tragic

that goes back to like, aristotle

humans don't have to be perfect or make great decisions for them or people mourning them to deserve human sympathy

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