[ SECRET POST #4273 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4273 ⌋

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Comments

[feotakahari]

Well, there has been such a thing as slave revolts. And independence movements have been known to blow things up. But I think the real point of relation is being told you’re a dangerous monster, until eventually you decide to write a story that owns it. If you’re dealing with people who think Jews have horns and drink the blood of Christian children, your first impulse will be to say “no we don’t, you idiot.” But sufficient frustration may lead to you writing characters who have horns and drink blood and still don’t deserve genocide. (This sort of thing happens a lot with mental illness metaphors.)

[rosehiptea]

Very well said.

[(Anonymous)]

okay let's clarify for a moment here that segregation is not genocide

[feotakahari]

It certainly implies a degree of violence against those who refuse to be separated.

[(Anonymous)]

and that is definitely what happens in the examples! but i still maintain that "do you want to kill all zombies" and "do you want to ride in the same car as the zombies" are two very different questions.

[feotakahari]

Is the word “all” relevant here? Just because you’re not killing everyone doesn’t necessarily mean it’s okay to kill some people.

[(Anonymous)]

right now you're conflating violence with killing like can you stop making those jumps

[feotakahari]

Are we still talking about zombies? I feel like I’ve wandered into a deeper level of discourse than I was prepared for.

[(Anonymous)]

zombies and augmented humans in this case, and you keep talking about murdering them even though that was never proposed to be okay anywhere!

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between normal humans keeping normal human slaves, which is wrong; and humans wanting to monitor weird para-humans who randomly tear open holes in reality that let demons come flooding in, which is understandable.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like this explanation only holds water when it's the "demonized" group writing said story. It's not that case very often.

[(Anonymous)]

There is a very, very large difference between "these real world oppressed people occasionally use violence in an attempt to be less oppressed" and "these magical beings that don't actually exist eat people unless they're mind controlled not to and btw that mind control isn't 100% effective"/"these magical beings that don't actually exist occasionally blow up and take out a city block for absolutely no comprehensible reason" and other magical oppression storylines. In the real world, oppressed groups are no more inherently dangerous than any other group of humans. That's what makes magical oppression a shitty metaphor.

[(Anonymous)]

at the same time, I think it's an extremely fine line to walk between "dangerous" and just "powerful". And it's tricky because of that. And often, it's more a question of what the author chooses to emphasize than anything else. Take the X-Men, for instance - mutants. We know that mutants are actually dangerous. But in most mutant-as-social-outcast narratives, that part isn't really emphasized; instead, mutants (particularly our protagonists) are presented as powerful and strong. So it's a dissonance that's apparent to us to a greater extent than it maybe actually exists in the narrative.

So, it's probably something to avoid, because it's awkward and potentially creates dissonance. But the idea of associating power and specialness and strength to groups that are coded as social outcasts - I don't think that's a problem in itself.

[(Anonymous)]

but in the examples they are very much dangerous and have very much murdered people and that is the part that made people turn against them. in deus ex augmented humans were actually seen as superior to normal humans until you know, they got hacked and started murdering