[ SECRET POST #4282 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4282 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Colette]


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[Sara Sidle on CSI]


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[Criminal Minds]


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05.
[Step by Step, Cody/Dana]


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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]


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[Mad Men]











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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's also completely ignoring the larger societal context in that there were a great many things that women were Not Allowed to do in the past under the societal and cultural standards of the time. Claiming to be a man was one way for women to get around those taboos and do what they wanted to do, be it dating other women, holding jobs that weren't considered to be appropriate for women, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

but... it's also probably likely that, in some of those cases, one of those things was "being a trans man"

[(Anonymous)]

Who can say? There's plenty of reasons why a woman would choose to live as a man in an oppressive society that has nothing to do with gender identity. And there may be historical people who did not act socially unacceptable that might have felt they should have been born the opposite sex. You can't push assumptions onto history either way.

[(Anonymous)]

You can't push assumptions onto history either way.

I totally agree. You can't make assumptions either way. That's just as true for asserting that everyone in history was cis. We don't know, and can't know, the specific identity of any historical person. But the balance of probability is that some of them were what we today would call trans. So what's the use of dismissing the possibility?

[digitalghosts]

I add to this: some people actually did state they were whichever gender they preferred while labled the other but used different language. Some were queer folks trying to pass under radar as well and quite few did also say it themselves (if I recall the character whom Brandon Tena is based on identified as a lesbian and not a bloke so it does happen in various ways). We really have no way of knowing for sure unless we ask person in question.

[(Anonymous)]

...okay but we are talking about the 1920s Parisian lesbian scene in the actual instance of this movie - which was unique for the time in being a culture where women lived openly as lesbians, and dress as they wished for self expression and not safety. It was a brief period of time where wealthy women (only wealthy women) COULD transgress social norms without having to live as men for safety. The women in this community who were gender non conforming were presenting that way by choice. Some, but not all would probably have considered themselves trans men by today’s standards. Some, by contrast, would likely consider themselves butch/gnc women by today’s standards. Both are important to consider.