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⌈ Secret Post #4286 ⌋

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[Mark Strong as Merlin]

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04. [WARNING for discussion of rape/non-con]

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[Criminal Minds]

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06. [WARNING for discussion of incest]

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still grind your gears? The longer ago it happened, the grindier.

Never not gonna hate that Neal Cassidy was killed off to make room for Captain ~~Codfish~~ ~~Rapejoke~~ Hook.

Yes.

Going back and reading Supernatural fic made me realize how annoyed I am about how Dean and Sam handled Castiel in Season 6. After everything Castiel did for them, Dean and Sam couldn't muster up an empathy for what he was dealing with. And the whole, "We don't make deals with demons" BS. Like...you do. Many times. Repeatedly.

So very VERY strongly agreed. Cas's first appearance in season 6, they call him for help, and he's like, "Hey, guys, actually, I really need YOUR help" and they basically laugh in his face. They make light of the war in heaven and treat him like a tool at their disposal who should drop everything any time they need him.

And then when he screws up and makes bad choices, because hey, guess who's NEVER MADE CHOICES BEFORE? Always been a good soldier, they TAUGHT HIM to exercise free will... then Dean is basically like, "Do what I say 'cause I SAY SO" and refuses to talk about it.

"We don't make deals with demons" - BS is RIGHT. Every single Winchester has done it, Dean did it, and Cas learned so much about how to live/make choices from DEAN.

The way they treated him that season just infuriated me. :(

You can literally see every decision Cas makes was influenced by things he has seen the brothers do. I really loved The Man Who Would Be King because it gives you so much insight into Castiel. So many good quotes from that.

"If I knew then what I know now, I might have said, "It's simple. Freedom is a length of rope. God wants you to hang yourself with it."

"And of course, I remember the most remarkable event - remarkable because it never came to pass. It was averted by two boys, an old drunk, and a fallen angel. The grand story. And we ripped up the ending, and the rules, and destiny, leaving nothing but freedom and choice. Which is all well and good, except... well, what if I've made the wrong choice? How am I supposed to know?"

Him begging God to answer him is heart breaking. "That's why, I'm asking you father; one last time. Am I doing the right thing? Am I on the right path? You have to tell me; you have to give me... a sign. Give me. A sign. Because if you don't I'm going to cho- I'm going to do whatever I... whatever I must."

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And these two exchanges piss me off so much.

Dean Winchester: Why are you here?

Castiel: I want you to understand.

Dean Winchester: Oh, believe me I get it. Blah blah, Raphael, right?

Castiel: I'm doing this for you, Dean. I'm doing this because of you.

Dean Winchester: Because of me. Yeah, you gotta be kidding me.

Castiel: You're the one who taught me that freedom, and free will...

Dean Winchester: [interrupting Cas] You're a freaking child, you know that? Just because you can do what you want, doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want!

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Castiel: Raphael will kill us all. He'll turn the world into a graveyard. I had no choice.

Dean Winchester: No, you had a choice. You just made the wrong one.

Like, WHAT THE FUCK. He is fighting a fucking WAR.

Yeah, those infuriate me too. If he's such a child, how about offering a little GUIDANCE, instead of just being all "Do what I say, now, no discussion" about it. :/

"Blah, blah, Raphael" when they didn't SEE what Cas went through before he ever made that bad call to work with Crowley. They belittle him so much (especially Dean) when everything he's ever done has been for them. He made the choice to rebel against Heaven and EVERYTHING from that point has been for the good of the Winchesters.

In early season 7, Sam gets a LITTLE forgiveness from me because he at least is willing to open the door for Cas to come back, offering understanding because he KNOWS what it's like to make the wrong call for the right reasons. But Dean in particular is just very unreasonable and uncompassionate and unnecessarily cold with Cas, way too often.

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kaijinscendre - 2018-09-29 02:38 (UTC) - Expand

I like season six, but the way Sam and Dean (especially Dean) treated Cas pisses me off almost as badly as Dean's treatment of Cas in season nine.

I did not watch Season 9. What happened? D:

At the end of season eight, Cas falls for a trap that closes the gates of heaven and all the angels are expelled from heaven. His grace is stolen and he's sent to earth is a human. Sam was trying to close the gates of hell, but Dean stopped him. Sam's on death's door, so Dean enlists the help of one of the fallen angels to cure Sam, but the angel (who's hiding his identity) says he'll only cure Sam if Cas isn't with them. Dean tells Cas to leave the bunker and some awful shit happens to Cas, who has no idea how to navigate life as a human without his powers.

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I don't care what they had planned at the beginning, the characters had grown past that.

On The West Wing, CJ becoming chief of staff over Josh, the deputy chief of staff.

A thousand times yes to HIMYM. Worst tv final ever.

So agreed on HIMYM. The characters developed to the point that the planned ending didn't work anymore. Barney/Robin should have been endgame. :(

Jean Auel's Earth's Children series that she got bored with in books 4, 5, and 6 (5 and 6 especially, and ESPECIALLY 6, which was so painfully obviously a contractual obligation that she didn't give a rat's ass about). I know it's not exactly an example of what you want, OP, but it's certainly something that still grinds my gears, because the first 3 books were so good, but I've forgotten most of book 4, all of book 5, and I couldn't even get through the first 3 chapters of book 6, it was so bad! ARGH!!!

can't get over the idea of Vulcan kids bullying. It's so illogical! So emotional and human. you have to know somebody's emotions and care about them to bother trying to hurt their feelings, and in the end, what the hell's the point ? Would Spock as a kid be a bit of an outsider? Sure! But the way it was shown in the movie? Gawd, my internal green-blooded bullshit metre was off the charts, captain. Not to mention the point where I went "??? Spock!? Stopping the turbolift for nookie!? NO WAY."

I'm presuming this is about the new movies, which I haven't seen, but even in TOS canon it's not that much of a stretch to imagine Vulcan kids being bullies. The reason Vulcans are so strongly trained and socialised in the way of Surak is because on a very base level they're NOT naturally logical. The way of Surak exists because primal Vulcan emotions are, well, volcanic, and Surak needed to rein his entire species in before they ripped themselves apart with them. Now, centuries of the Way have dampened that a bit (or possibly bottled it instead), but it's still not a good idea to presume that just because a Vulcan isn't showing their emotions, that means they don't have them. And kids, who are still in the process of being trained and socialised in the Way, are probably the ones who are going to show its flaws the most.

Also, all of that aside, it can be perfectly logical, from your own point of view, to ruthlessly torment someone else, if doing so accomplishes your goals. Logic isn't proof against malice, no matter how much the Vulcans themselves want it to be.

Vulcan kids bullying and being allowed to do it is what strikes me as making no sense. I would think Vulcan parents and teachers would take a very dim view of that behavior and put a stop to it as soon as possible.

A certain element of Patricia Finney's Gloriana's Torch.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer - "Seeing Red" - complete invalidation of everything they'd developed about Spike's character for the last several seasons, literally STATED because they had made him too likeable/human/potentially good and needed to remind the audience that without a soul, he COULDN'T be good. The resulting attempted rape scene was the most ridiculously out of character thing. I'm still kinda angry after all these years when I think about it.

Yup, yup, and yup. It boggles my mind, too, that the writers were feeling they'd made him too likeable and wanted to "remind" the audience he couldn't be good. I mean, who was WRITING the show? Maybe you shouldn't have written all that character development. And all of that didn't change anyone's mind anyway, it just added extra fuel to the fan wars.

Supernatural - Gabriel's death last season. Was so happy they brought him back, and then just to kill him off pointlessly. He literally died for nothing since Michael and Lucifer made it through the portal anyway. Was so excited about having him back as a regular character :(

I love Gabriel so much and was so happy to see him back, but what was the point if they're just gonna kill him off again? Same with Kevin. I was so excited to have him back and thought it meant his mom would also show up again, but then they blew him up.

House getting more and more abusive and psycho but I've already ranted about that plenty. I'm burned out on ranting about it.

Various Xena plot points, including having Gsbrielle become an insufferable idiotic pacifist for several episodes during season 4 (including her THROWING AWAY HER STAFF), having Gabrielle and Xena end up in magical sleep for a couple decades so that all the charming supporting cast are either old or dead and everything is extra dark and broody all so we can have the stupid plot with stupid Livia, and pretty much the entire finale episode. Still bitter.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Dawn and the fake monk memories that were never erased. I think I could have liked her if it wasn't for the ultimate lazy Mary Sue-esque shoehorning of her into the main cast and acting like she'd always been there even after it was no longer necessary for the plot.

I'm still pissed that the kid telling the story about the ghost in the swimming pool on Are You Afraid of the Dark was not allowed to join the Midnight Society.

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