[ SECRET POST #4294 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4294 ⌋

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Sorry, thought I posted this already!

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I honestly am wondering how far inside your own echo chamber of social media and perhaps friends with advanced educations you are that you cannot "see" the thousands upon thousands of people who don't agree with you about Trump. There are masses of older folks and working class people who you will never read a tweet from, see a tumblr post from or hear a rallying call at your local university who feel that he is still representing their interests, their morality, their fears and dreams. Please don't dismiss them. Don't say fuck them. You want to say that to your great grandfather's face who fought in WWII or Korea? Please try to understand where they are coming from. People react to anger with anger. They become tribal and circle the wagons of their minds, and will never be convinced of a gentler path. You feel sooo very justified in YOUR anger, be warned they do too.

[(Anonymous)]

omg bitch I have tried to empathize with poor beleaguered republicans who really think torture and racism will make us safe etc since 2001 and you know what, I am DONE trying to convince myself that it's ever going to matter

republicans have been gushing frothing font of rage since the tea party and have not let up

I'm reacting to THEIR anger, after almost 20 years of knowing they'd like to destroy my (poor, queer, female) life in exchange for a tax break for millionaires, and that they think I'm a nasty elitist heathen baby-killing bitch because I'm uppity enough to be crushed under student loans for the next thirty years and I like salads sometimes, and I want to be able to access basic birth control

so yeah. fuck them. OH NO MY GRANDFATHER, fuck you, both my grandfathers fought in WWII and they were both card carrying FDR democrats. one of them worked as a union rep and one of them was a local dem committee chair. if YOUR grandfather was in WWII, sorry sweetie but killing people 60 years ago doesn't mean a person is magically good or smart whether they suffered or not. if they're for Trump then FUCK. THEM.

[(Anonymous)]

And this is why we can't have nice things. Sorry, but in the end, this kind of anger and hostility is not productive. Be practical please. All this stewing in your own juices is not healthy.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

What is "practical"? What is "productive"? Who defines what things are practical and productive? Why does being legitimately angry preclude also doing practical things? Why is the advice to be healthy and not hold on to anger never directed at the long howl of racist right-wing rage that culminated in the election of a bankrupt reality TV star who bragged of sexual assault to the Presidency?

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, I do believe you make my point. They all suck. I hope the Dems sweep all branches of government in the next few years, just so you will have some peace. Nothing will change but I hope you will be happier.

[(Anonymous)]

what an utterly useless and empty piece of reflexive, meaningless cynicism

[(Anonymous)]

Well you got me there, I am extremely cynical. And evidently it's useless to get anyone to see another side. What can you do...

[(Anonymous)]

I'm capable of seeing another side. That doesn't mean that I agree with it.

It feel like - to me - it's pretty hard to deny that the Democratic Party, for all its faults, is materially better than the Republican Party. They can be bad, but still less bad than the Republicans. It's not much, but it's something. And I don't think that reflexive both-sides cynicism - is that really doing anything to get anyone to see another side? What's practical about it?

[(Anonymous)]

I always try to see both sides. I am so beaten down at this point by the hatred going both ways that I despair of any future progress. It's just always "the other side is wrong" just because they're the other side. Im sure if I were on some other forum catering to right wingers, they'd probably make a similar but opposite statement about the Dems and Repubs. And really believe they were on the side of good. I'm just tired that's all and am extremely sad seeing it come to this. Ah well, please take care and have a good night.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT—while there are individual democrats, both in office and rank and file, who would like to cut social welfare programs like SNAP, or who are against raising the minimum wage, or who are anti-immigration, or distrust Muslims and/or Mexicans, or who dislike LGBT+ people, and probably most other common Republican characteristics, Republicans have become the party of “punish the unbeliever.” the days of Republicans being the party of fiscal responsibility or whatever went poof with Reagan, or even before, when they embraced Dixiecrats fleeing their hatred of the Civil Rights movement. Trump’s tax cut already prioritizes the wealthy and corporations, and for most normal poor and middle class people it expires in 2027, and their taxes go up again, but corporations and the rich get to keep theirs. Also if you factor in new “trade war” tariffs, taxes by another name, he’s already cancelled out the tax cut plus raised taxes.

You—at least, I assume it’s you, although maybe there’s two of you, seem to be claiming that because the US’s two party system is tribal that the tribes are morally equivalent. But despite the Democratic Party’s myriad sins, what the Republican Party and their voters are doing under Trump is horrifying. Democrats are notorious for fighting amongst themselves about being more-liberal-than-thou, but especially in reaction to the Obama presidency and now under Trump it’s like ~90% of the Republican base and 99% of party leaders are charging rightwards torward the 1850s—or maybe the 1940s, what with building concentration camps on military bases.

My mom got an AA in general studies in her 40s when she reentered the job market after being a farm wife—she ended up stocking L’EGGs eggs. After they sold the farm, dad was a union decorator after his skin of his teeth high school deploma and a (drafted) stint in Vietnam.

None of my grandparents were college educated. Dad’s dad was in the merchant marine, dad’s mom was a hairdresser. They were both liberals. Mom’s dad was the only conservative in the bunch, he was an “America First” type of guy who sympathized with the Nazis and fought the Japanese instead. His homemaker wife wasn’t allowed to have political opinions—he beat and raped her and all his kids a lot. Great guy.

[(Anonymous)]

First of all, they're wrong.

I do have some sympathy for the ones who are honest dupes. But they're wrong and they're doing immense harm to the country. And there is a damn limit. And I don't know how many of them really are honest dupes - I don't think very many. If they feel that he's representing their interest, their morality, their fears and dreams - I have to think that is, in some part, a statement on the nature of their conceptions of morality, and their interests, and their fears and dreams. And I think it's very damn insulting, and wrong, that you think you have to have an advanced education, or what have you, to see that both Trump and his principles are wrong. It's not a damn secret.

The problem is that, as gentle as you can be, you end up coming up against the same bedrock reality: the underlying worldview and ideology. Treating people gently - I mean, damn it, we do have to have some gentleness, but you have to square that against that fact, and against the deeply-entrenched racism and classism and selfishness and crassness and misogyny that animates Trump and that is responsible for his popularity. And they're not children, they're adults. Rational, reasoning citizens, who have endorsed these beliefs of their own free will.

Hell and all if I know the answer, but I don't think that refusing to face up to the reality, or criticize people's beliefs where they're wrong, is the way forward.