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⌈ Secret Post #4306 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

Is tumblr the only place where this recent idiotic rage against Archive of Our Own is? (please tell me it is)

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

Why are people mad about AO3?

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[kaijinscendre]

Various reasons. The main ones seem to be.

-AO3 has fundraisers for people to donate money. They are mad about this even though no one is forcing them to donate.
-A03 doesn't ban stuff. A03 is evil because it allows things THEY don't like (non-con, underage, certain ships).

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

Is that honestly true???

They are mad that a free website asks for donations to keep the lights on?

And the whole point of AO3 was a response to FF.N which didn't allow mature content. Whaaaat

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[kaijinscendre]

Yes, one comment I saw said something about how AO3 should give away any of the money they earn over the amount they were looking for.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

Also, going by their blogs, many of them are personally quite poor and seeing money going by on a large scale irritates them because none of it is heading their way. (I've been stinking poor before: I do understand this irritation.)

They want us to understand that no other public website has any Weird Sex Stuff going on, not Tumblr, or Reddit, or even ff.net (where I've personally seen writers play fast-and-very-loose with content guidelines). AO3 is the absolute worst.

And clearly anyone who disagrees with them is a sexual predator in the making or a horny middle-aged woman. Or both.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

Wtf is wrong with horny middle aged women (besides misogyny, that s)?!

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

No Weird Sex Stuff on Tumblr? Tell that to these porn blogs that keep following me.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[greghousesgf]

offs

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously? Wow, people have way too much time on their hands.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, there is a strong argument to be made that donating money to AO3 is immoral, but the same argument could be raised against almost all spending on consumer goods, so I don't really know where that gets you. I think it's possible that people's hearts are in the right place on that one though.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

"there is a strong argument to be made that donating money to AO3 is immoral"

How do you mean? Because it's for entertainment purposes not feeding the hungry? Or the complaint about "Mature" content? Or something I've missed.

(Genuinely curious here.)

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen two wildly different sources of negative opinions about AO3. One is what's been described already from people trying to bring down the site for allowing fic they consider immoral, presumably, because they don't have much to back up the complaints they're making.

But completely outside of the anti mentality, there are other complaints that I, not knowing much about running a website, can't confirm or even summarize very well--but supposedly there's a lot that's fundamentally sloppy about the main code and since they are unwilling or unable to make huge changes to how data is organized on the site, they are continuously having technical crashes that they just fix by buying more servers, until those inevitably aren't enough and they have to buy more, etc.

There are also criticisms that supposedly have come from former members, of the funds being used for not very productive destination meetings, of wranglers having a lot of difficulty keeping up because they can't or won't improve the wrangling system. Another grain of salt: there may be sources for these claims somewhere but for the most part it doesn't seem to come up in namespace, so it's all rumor, but I have gotten the sense from multiple complaints that board members are intensely cliquey, rarely open to any attitude that isn't extremely positive about how things are going, and will shut out people who voice negativity, so that it sort of kind of makes sense that this stuff comes up only discreetly.

For example, an original work called The Course of Honour which has gained a transformative fandom of its own, has been repeatedly denied from getting a fandom tag on AO3 and people think it's because the novel's author has some unfavorable history with the OTW.

The site has been in beta for a ridiculously long time. Bugs happen a lot.

I've seen people make cases that the site is pulling along on an impressively low budget and I believe it, but not all of the problems are coming from bitter puritans necessarily.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

It strikes me that these are the kinds of issues that are inevitably going to plague an organization of this type. Of course that doesn't mean that they're not valid, probably they are.

I do take a grain of salt with the technical points, because every technical thing on the Internet always has a ridiculous amount of back-seat driving.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[kaijinscendre]

As far as I know, yes. It is so fucking weird. Like...if you don't like AO3...don't go on it.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

We're talking about people who send death threats over ships and scream pedophilia when a pairing featuring two 40-something dudes is written with the "wrong" top/bottom dynamic. I'm pretty sure at this point that they've had the portion of the brain that allows sensible human beings to opt not to engage with things they don't like surgically removed because it was interfering with their ragegasms.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[greghousesgf]

I haven't heard anything about this, what's the deal with AO3? there are some awesome fics on there, why does somebody have a problem with them??

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

The tumblr antis have a problem with Ao3 because it allows content they hate and its made to protect writers over their own preferences. Essentially Ao3 won't ban the stuff they want banned. And with a lot of tumblr antis- everything they hate is either abuse apologism or pedophilia somehow.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

And most Tumblr antis/SJWs hate everything.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[greghousesgf]

oh god

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

Does AO3 allow sexual content involving children?

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

Yes.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

With a very solid ratings system, yes it does. If said content is not explicitly rated and tagged (Or explicitly Not Rated, and Not Using Archive Warnings), that's grounds for an abuse complaint.

So if you're worried about straying into it accidentally, don't be.

If you're worried it's hosted there at all... *shrug*

I'm told many of the people who write it are themselves survivors, using fiction to get a grip on traumatic past events. It's not my bag, though, I don't write or read it, so I can't give you useful information on whys and wherefores.

Re: Fandom questions you're afraid to ask!

[(Anonymous)]

It's the only place I've seen it, but fortunately most of the ragey idiots have been shouted down.

OP of question

[(Anonymous)]

Oh fuck this really blew up didn't it?