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[ SECRET POST #593 ]

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Okay, there is so much wrong with your reply here, I'll only single out one.

OPPRESSION OF WOMEN IS NOT CHRISTIANITY. Jesus, you know, the dude it's BASED on? Was one of THE leading feminists of his time. He had women disciples, followers, even MARRIED ones and God forbid, A PROSTITUTE that became an apostle!

The oppression of women came from the cardinals of the CATHOLIC church, who, in an effort to keep women out of the priesthood, made up all sorts of crap and it snowballed. REAL christianity is actually a freer of women, because Christ is "no respecter of persons" And God sees us as 'NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE'.. geesh, study something before you spout off at the mouth.

Men are imperfect. But blaming Christianity for all mankind's ills is just ignorant. Does Christianity keep women in burkas in the middle east? Does it promote the class system in India which causes people to starve and die of treatable disease? Ever hear of Mother Teresa? She lived in Calcutta FIGHTING that until she died. uuuuugh ignorant fanbrat.

I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS. I said it was the major force behind oppression of women for the last 2000. I was, as I have said many times, speaking of the Church, of CHristianity as an institution, a political force.

Mother Teresa also didn't treat those diseased people, she nursed them while they died, and then when she was ill she flew back home for quality medical care on a first class jet.

The more you know.

Where are you getting this foolishness? O_O I'm really curious. Besides Dawkins and Pullman.

Mother Teresa didn't treat diseased people herself because she did not have a medical degree. She nursed them, and left the treatment to the doctors she hired...which is the medically responsible thing to do.

She also founded homes for the homeless, prostitutes who wanted out of the life, orphans, drug addicts, the dying, and, in the 80s home for AIDS sufferers whose families had kicked them out.

What a terrible person. /sarcasm

...and God forbid, A PROSTITUTE that became an apostle!

Just jumping in. While I agree with everything you're saying, just want to point out that Mary Magdalene was, in fact, not a prostitute. The "prostitute" (which was actually an adulteress, not a whore) in the bible that Jesus saved is in fact never named, and is not Mary Magdalene. The blending of Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany, the woman who annointed Jesus' feet, and the adulteress can all be traced back to Pope Gregory I, who decided, for whatever reason, that this was a perfectly good and acceptable idea. Years later, the Catholic Church renounced the misrepresentation of the four separate women.

Magdalene was actually a woman who Jesus cured of seven demons. Most biblical historians think this to mean that she had a mental illness, most likely schizophrenia. She was also one of his most trusted and loyal apostles, and one of the last to leave his side after he was crucified.

Um, end history lesson! ^_^;

Thank you, couldn't have said it better myself! In addition, the story of the woman caught in adultery isn't in our earliest copies of the Gospels, it seems that it was added in later, first in the margins of copies and then into the text itself, presumably by a scribe who thought the margin note was a part of the text.

OMIGOD I LOVE YOU.

Mary Magdalene is my patron saint, and I ate up all the (little) information I could find on her like candy when I was little. I was about to get indignant and go SHEWASN'TAPROSTITUTE but you, oh you beat me to it and that makes me so happy, because I've never had anyone know that except for me (and the books, duh). I even talked back to my priest arguing that the seven demons were not greed, lust, etc, but probably epilespy (where it would definitely look like she was possessed) or a disorder like schizophrenia.

;LKDAJF;SD I LOVE YOU AGAIN. ....BYE.

Nowhere in the Bible does it mention that Mary Magdalene was a whore. That was made up by the heads of the church to keep women "in their place."

...What?! Please, read the above. It was made up by one person. And it wasn't to "keep women in their place." While Western figures followed this sermon (and some still do so), the Catholic Church itself never advocated it, and later on it was the heads (as in multiple) of the church who outright renounced Pope Gregory I's amalgamation of the four women.

None of the above has anything to do with what I said.

The four women? Ruth was given a bad name, whut? I mentioned ONE of those women, not the four.

Hey, blame the History Channel for this misinformation if anyone, because that's where I got knowledge about Mary Magdalene.

I also believe the Catholic Church was capable of anything... they are the ones who sanctioned the Spanish Inquisition and approved of the Crusades to the get the Holy Land back.

*groans* You know, if you want to learn about the Bible, may I suggest actually reading it, and not watching a TV show?

And please, understand the difference between the Catholic Church's reasoning and the European invader's reasoning behind the Crusades, as they were vastly different. The Catholic Church genuinely wanted the holy land, because they thought they were doing right by the Lord, while the European aristocrats used this rather naive standpoint as a way to take control of more land and power.

Also, the Spanish Inquisition was done completely under the Spanish monarchy, not the Catholic Chruch.

Yeah, the church didn't get involved in trying and torturing people for heresy or anything like that, not at all, no.

Oy. I think you're kinda missing my point here, but that's not surprising, given the fact that you clearly can't see around your own bloated sense of intelligence and self worth. I'm not going to actually condone any of the crimes done by people in the church at those times. What I was trying to point out was the reasoning, however mislead it may have been.

Let's face it, you get a large group of people together, and bad things are bound to happen sooner or later. That is, unfortunately, human nature. However, to blame human faults on a spirituality that at its core preaches love, kindness, and forgiveness, is just showing that you're much more comfortable at pointing out a scapegoat than admitting that maybe it's humanity itself that's the issue at hand.

So yes. Humanity can be pretty messed up. And it's really good at covering that up by using other things to blame its horrendous behavior on. Just like you seem to like doing.

Edited 2008-08-21 00:32 (UTC)

Actually, the suppression of Mary's gospel was much older than that, even if that one gentleman gave it a further official gloss.

Arguing about what is and is not "real Christianity" is pointless.

Also, since when was Mother Theresa fighting against the caste system? I thought she was just caring for -- and preaching at -- the poor.

From somebody who's just been lurking and following this convo...

Arguing about what is and is not "real Christianity" is pointless.

God, yes. It's beginning to seem like like sometimes that word is used to mean "an ideal abstract notion that was exactly what Jesus meant really but has never actually existed."

There are practicing Christians today who passionately believe that Christianity means hating homosexuals, oppressing women and anti-Semitism. There are also practicing Christians who passionately believe Christianity means tolerance to other sexualities, religions and the equality of women. Christianity is made of all these people. It's impossible to separate Christians from Christianity so cleanly, especially during periods of history where everybody being spoken about probably truly believed in Jesus Christ as God.

'A PROSTITUTE that became an apostle'

That one just popped out on me, and I felt compelled to point out that she wasn't a prostitute. That was a different Mary, it was just convenient for the church to confuse the two in the public consciousness so that it was easier to dismiss and suppress her gospel.

Not saying that all Christians are misogynists - that's just such a blatatently stupid thing to say, but some have been. Part of the misrepresentation of Mary Magdeline was that there was a movement to suppress the proto-feminist teachings of Christ. the whole situation is FAR too complex to start throwing around generalisations either way.

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