[ SECRET POST #4314 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4314 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Murdoch Mysteries, William Murdoch/James Gillies, Batman/Joker]


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03. https://i.imgur.com/rP9Xyvd.png
[Embrace of the Vampire, link for on-screen sex/nudity]


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[JD and Dr. Cox from Scrubs]


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07. [WARNING for discussion of rape/Bill Cosby]



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08. [WARNING for discussion of rape]




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09. [WARNING for discussion of rape/abuse/etc]














Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #617.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

08. [WARNING for discussion of rape]
https://i.imgur.com/oiXkkGV.png

[(Anonymous)]

What's a Thermian Paradox? What are the differences between the reactions? What, actually, are the reasons that it seems like a pointless conversation?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, it’s just Watsonian vs Doylist with a social justice hat: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WatsonianVersusDoylist Specifically, “Thermian” is the term a pro-SJ Doylist used to argue that Watsonians are ignorant for not caring about SJ. It’s meant to imply that Watsonians, like the Thermians in Galaxy Quest, don’t understand that fiction isn’t real. (A lot of fandom arguments are really just Watsonians and Doylists talking past each other.)

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Ah.

I guess I'm still a little confused, because I feel like that point could equally be made in support of or against either side of the argument...

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Huh? But... usually the people who care too much about SJ-topics in a medium tend to be the ones coming off as people who can't distinguish between fiction and reality...

[(Anonymous)]

Here's the actual video itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxV8gAGmbtk

It's not really talking about a Watsonian vs. Doylist thing, because it's not approaching it from a fandom perspective at all. Watsonian vs. Doylist is addressing how one engages with a fictional universe and answering questions about things within that universe, but in both cases both sides would still agree that it's a fictional universe. The Thermian Argument (not paradox) is addressing the fact that when authors or readers give in-universe justifications for offensive material, that isn't really a justification with regard to the work's place in reality, because the author's choices still drove the inclusion of that material, and the author always could have rewritten things such that the material wasn't included.

This doesn't bar the existence of other valid justifications, of course; it's just pointing out that that specific variety of justification doesn't actually hold up.