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⌈ Secret Post #4315 ⌋

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I spent way too long after reading this secret thinking that the "Most Girls" you were talking about was the one also by P!nk, and I was like "...huh, really?".

Looking up the lyrics to other one, though, this secret makes way more sense. ;)

Ok so I kind of see it both ways.

On one hand, it's nice that "empowering" music has examples where you aren't pitting one group of women against another to make a point. Stupid Girls is definitely (victim-)blaming women for caving to social pressure or taking cues from male-gaze media etc etc, and pitting one group of women against another group of women without really touching on how sexism plays into it and the stereotypes and etc etc that's responsible for everything being this way in the first place. Which is bad. But it does take a stance against a specific idea, mainly the idea of women buying into conventional social expectations which cater to men, and it has something to say about it whether you agree with it or not.

On the other hand, Most Girls is one of those nice and positive songs full of inoffensive platitudes where everyone is so beautiful and wonderful for no reason no matter what they do. In theory at least - the edgiest and most unorthodox the girls get is wearing sweatpants and yet still looking like a princess, for what it's worth. Anyway, while it's touching and uplifting and emotional, it doesn't have much of a real point it's making or stance it's taking on any particular issue.

So I think what I'm trying to say is, I don't think it's quite on par to compare the two, or if it's necessarily meaningful to do so. The songs just don't fill the same niche - nor do they aim to. Stupid Girls has a problematic message that points out some issues but really places the blame in the wrong place - but it also tries to take a strong stance sticking up for the "outcast" women, the non-beautiful, the "others" that aren't or don't feel like "most girls." And you can't have something that appeals to outcasts without defining a norm. Plus, I can see how a song like that would end up an empowering anthem for a teenage girl. On the flip side, Most Girls has no real message besides that all women are great and beautiful because they just... are. And well that's nice. It really is, I mean that genuinely. It's nice to have songs that are positive about all women. That's about all it is though, and I expect teenage girls even today who are looking for a personal anthem would move on and keep looking for something about women like them, not broad statements about all (most) women.

I don't know why this secret made me think about this so much, but that was fun.

And it's not like "women like them and women like me" songs aren't still being made.

"She wears short skirts, I wear T-shirts..."

...that song came out in 2008.

You Belong With Me is from more than nine years ago. You can't use it as an example of "still being made".
(She's still singing it on the rep tour but that's a different point.)

Alright, still being performed actively then. Yeah, I was thinking about concert performances, where the song is still 'alive' and being sold

*throws roses on the stage at your feet*

Seriously, though, nice analysis.

it doesn't have much of a real point it's making or stance it's taking on any particular issue

I disagree with that, the message is pretty blatantly about not generalising about women & judging them. Not arguing that it is a particularly deep song, but the point is very on the nose especially with the music video.

>not generalising about women

>most girls are smart and strong and beautiful

um

do you ever read a comment where you are like 90% sure someone is just that much of a dumbass but you keep your faith and go with "troll" instead

i dont know which comment you're referring to but lots of people tend to forget positive generalizations are just as much generalizations as negative ones

women are nurturing
women are perceptive
women are graceful
everybody is special

if your message supposedly is don't generalize, you dont get to pick and choose which generalizations are ok

i was referring to yours

why? are generalisations ok to you so long as they're positive?

like, 'dont generalise women' is something i agree with. i just lol at the irony of someone doing that while at the same time saying most of them are strong and smart and beautiful

if someone says "most women are violent bitches" and others respond with "wym most women are perfectly peaceful" would you also go "lol irony!!!"?

because that is what that song does, in essence. im sorry but your hot take is a wet fart

Thank you so much for writing this, I was about to do the same. The “stupide girls” Pink mocks also pulled stunts to keep their names in the media. There weren’t that dumb.

My main issue with this current trend of "all girls are so beautiful and perfect and marvelous etc." is that no, actually, they're not. And that's okay. Not everyone and everything has to be "beautiful".

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