[ SECRET POST #4319 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4319 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

You mean abuse positive.

[(Anonymous)]

Here we mother fucking go again

[(Anonymous)]

Ther is a halfway point, you know. There are people in sex work that genuinely choose to be there and enjoy their jobs, and there are people that are trafficked into sexual slavery, and there are grey areas in between. Those are not mutually exclusive things. And in no way does it help anyone to sit there and paint everyone with the same brush.

[(Anonymous)]

Except the majority of people involved in sex work are abused in some manner.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is that 'sex positivity' posits that most sex workers genuinely enjoy their jobs and this statistically isn't the case.
Sex workers are at more risk for abuse and are more victimised than the general population. It's awful and yes they absolutely should be protected. But I am rather sick of society acting as though being a sex worker is all great and positive, when there are definite dangers and they are treated like shit.
The problem is most societies in the world are patriarchies and most prostitutes are women. This reinforces the premise that women are there to be used for sexual pleasure for men.
Personally, I like the Nordic model, in which prostitution is legal for prostitutes to operate, but illegal for people to go to them.
Here are some statistical facts about prostitution that in our "Everything is fine and wonderful about prostitution" social model (according to a world wide study).
* Over half of the men who go to prostitutes are married or have a partner.
* They knew the women were being exploited but didn't give a shit.
This article also blasts the idea that prostitution is fine and good and most prostitutes are happy with their work.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2013/12/08/10-myths-about-prostitution-trafficking-and-the-nordic-model/

However, original OP, if you want to write fan fic with prostitutes, go ahead and have fun :).
After all, it is only fantasy.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is that 'sex positivity' posits that most sex workers genuinely enjoy their jobs and this statistically isn't the case.

So I think the standard for this kind of has to be, like. Not "do sex workers enjoy their jobs", but "do sex workers enjoy their jobs significantly less than people in any other job". The reality is that people doing jobs that are unpleasant, and potentially harmful, because they need the money is a completely and utterly routine feature of capitalistic job markets. Fucking janitors and coal miners don't love their jobs, either.

The first question you have to ask is: is sex work immoral in itself? Is it intrinsically wrong, or intrinsically harmful? If your answer is that it's not intrinsically harmful, then from there on out, it's really only a question of labor rights and safety regulations. If there's nothing morally wrong with sex work, then holding it to a different standard than other kinds of work is fundamentally unjustifiable, and removes peoples' agency and choice to do things that we think are morally acceptable and that may be the best option available to them in a circumstance. Of course, we should do everything to ensure that their working conditions are safe and that they aren't exploited, as we should for all other workers.

If, on the other hand, you think that it's irreducibly harmful, that the existence of sex trade is wrong as such, then the Norway Plan makes sense, because it is a plan for eliminating the sex trade as much as possible. And it's only possible to endorse the Norway Plan if you believe that - if you believe that sex work is in a special class of occupations, that has to be held to distant standards.

I, personally, don't believe that sex work is intrinsically harmful and immoral, and that there's nothing morally wrong with having sex for money. And I think it's ridiculous to hold sex work to standards that don't apply to any other kind of labor. "We should ban this kind of work, because the people involved don't like it" is not a standard that we would ever accept in any other field of work, ever. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't do as much as we can at all times to make the work better - we should fight abuse and trafficking aggressively, and ensure conditions are safe, supportive, and earn fair money for their labor. We should do that with all workers in all professions.

I just don't understand how you can, with a straight face, act like sex work is the only job that people don't like but do because they need the money. Jesus shit. And TERFs can get fucked too. Solidarity forever. Pay the teachers.

[(Anonymous)]

I like you, Nonny. A+ commenting.

[(Anonymous)]

seconding the kudos. extremely well-stated and argued, thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I like the Nordic model, in which prostitution is legal for prostitutes to operate, but illegal for people to go to them.

That literally makes no logical sense.

[(Anonymous)]

I believe the logic is to not penalize the worker if they need to come forward about anything just because of their job.

[(Anonymous)]

Prostitution is illegal but there are no legal punishments for prostitutes themselves, only for the johns

[(Anonymous)]

It's so that trafficked women don't fear to go to the police for help, because they know that if they do they won't be arrested for breaking the law, but only their pimps. But it tries to cut down on demand by making there be legal penalties for johns.

[(Anonymous)]

You're right; although I see the usual 'blah blah TERF', 'blah blah working in McDonalds is REALLY the degrading work!' (which seemed to replace the 2000s era 'Well, I find sex work empowering!' because you can mention capitalism a bunch.)

[(Anonymous)]

Multiple kinds of work can be degrading

[(Anonymous)]

Lol