[ SECRET POST #4320 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4320 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Gerard Way (formerly of My Chemical Romance) - "Baby You're a Haunted House"]



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[The Good Place]


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[The Haunting of Hill House]






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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Another aspect that wasn't discuted here was that Snape was a spy pretending to be on the Deatheaters' side. He was almost always putting on an act in front of the students and others in order to keep his true allegiance (to Dumbledord and to the Order of the Phenix) a secret. Did he still buy into Voldemort's ideology. I like to think not but it's up for debate.

[(Anonymous)]

That does not excuse bullying children when you're a teacher.

[(Anonymous)]

So he couldn't have kept up his double-agent status without abusing children under his care? Barty Crouch Jr WASN'T a double-agent and still managed to be a half-decent teacher while disguised as Moody (ferret incident notwithstanding but at least there was a "reason" for that, as opposed to Snape's baseless torment of Neville, Harry, and countless others).

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is a bad argument.

He used Unforgivable curses on students. He performed others in front of them. He tortured spiders in front of Neville using the same curse he used to drive his parents insane. He put 14 years olds under an Imperious curse and made them do painful and humiliating things.

He absolutely enjoyed it, it was just under the guise of preparing them for the real world.

[(Anonymous)]

At least you can make an argument that there's a legitimate, important educational purpose to those things, in the universe of the book. Those things are real dangers. And not only that, but the books largely go along with the idea that those things are important and that it was good that he did them.

I still wouldn't go so far as to say that he was a great teacher, and obviously he wasn't like... a good person, but there's a world of difference between that stuff, and just straight up bullying students.

[(Anonymous)]

The books largely go along with the idea that it's appropriate to keep slaves, that the 'epitome of goodness' is a guy who flirted with genocide, and that Harry's use of torture is a chivalrous gesture. It's almost like people can disagree with books, and their authors. It's not like a quiz where the closer your moral views align with Rowling's, the more 'right' you are about the series.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, this argument. 'Moody/Crouch bullied students to keep up appearances and punished children for their parent's mistakes' (remember there's nothing he hates more than a Death Eater who 'got away with it', no coincidence he goes over Lucius Malfoy's son; while also winning Harry's trust by doing so.) 'but at least he bullied the right children!'

[(Anonymous)]

This argument has never made any sense. Snape was a triple agent, not a double agent. He was pretending to be on Voldemort's side, but part of that came with Voldemort tasking him with spying on Dumbledore and Harry--which meant he was pretending to be (as well as really being) Dumbledore's right hand man.

Say you're Voldemort and you get believe Snape is truly on your side, and you get him to spy on Dumbledore and Harry and co. for you. You wouldn't want him treating Harry like shit to get him to hate him. You'd want him to play the reformed good guy. You'd want him to get Harry to like him the way fake!Moody did, or at least seem harmless like Quirrell did. To say that Snape's horrible behaviour was for Voldemort's sake makes no sense.

[(Anonymous)]

That's exactly right.

If Snape had been trying to protect his cover, he'd have tried to take Harry under his wing. His actual behavior had Harry convinced that he was the bad guy pretty much from day one. The only reason that Snape didn't completely blow his cover from the get-go is that Dumbledore was running the show and also the bad guys were pretty dumb.

Snape's horrible behavior was due to Snape being a horrible person who blamed Harry for being tangible proof that Lily loved someone else more than him, blamed Neville for not being the Chosen One that Voldemort targeted instead of the Potters, blamed Hermione for being a smart Muggleborn who wasn't Lily, and basically blamed everyone for the fact that he was an asshole who drove his only friend away and then got her murdered. And yes, he blamed himself for that too, but since he never expressed any regret over any of the other people he got tortured/murdered/etc., he gets no cookie for that.