fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #595 ]

⌈ Secret Post #595 ⌋

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I'm going to make off with the secret and repost it (unless the OP sees this and objects!) - could I quote your succinct analysis as well?

That's not "succinct analysis", that's stupid as all hell. Rather quote this (http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/191012.html?thread=76887588#t76887588) or this (http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/191012.html?thread=76944676#t76944676), it's certainly more accurate.

I'm not sure you realize that all three of those posts are "analyzing" different things.

Knock yourself out. Where are you posting it, if I may?

seeingred. I'm reading a little bit about intersectionality right now, and I'd like to use the secret as a talking point.

I'd like to point out that calling out racism and sexism in fandom is not "Oppression Olympics" (the term is generally used when someone is saying "you've been oppressed? I'm being oppressed more!" which is not what was occurring here.) someone saying "I dislike Maya because she's a racist caricature" and someone else responding with "you're sexist" is more an example of people talking at cross-purposes, where each one is seeing patterns, but they're seeing different patterns and miscommunicating what they're seeing because they assume the other person also sees the same pattern.

That's a good point. Gracious, too, giving peeps the benefit of that doubt. Grace is pretty rare in online discussions of representation. :)

My point was that responding back to complaints about racism with "you're just being sexist" implies that it is more important to judge her as a woman first and everything else second. It's saying "it doesn't matter if it's racist, you should support her as a woman, that's where your loyalties should lie."

But it's not. It's two people seeing different patterns. One person is seeing patterns of racism in media, and the other patterns of sexism in fandom. If person A says "I dislike this character (because racist pattern C)" and person B says "You're being sexist (because you're slotting into sexist pattern D)" that's not oppression olympics, nor is it saying sexism is more important. They're two different patterns in two different media-- the person B is seeing sexism in fan responses to the character-- and may, to be fair, have unfairly slotted person A into the pattern-- so they're coming at the entire idea of the character from an entirely different perspective. Person B is making an argument person A is not prepared for because B is looking at the fandom response rather than the medium of the show itself.

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