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⌈ Secret Post #596 ⌋

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104. ... So, wait. You're not going to therapy because... you're like the Joker.

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I'm seeing a flaw in your reasoning here, but you're probably too crazy to appreciate it.

Actually, it's not even that you're crazy. That isn't insanity. Giggling and believing that nothing matters... that isn't insanity in the least. Mostly, it's just irritating. To me, it sounds more like you're experiencing a lot of frustration with life. You mentioned that you ride the school bus, though. I imagine you'll get over it - not the frustration, just the giggling, aren't-I-ever-so-crazy-nothing-matters-you-plebes-why-don't-you-understand thing. But in the meantime, maybe you should go to therapy if you think you might want to.

Damn. I keep seeing secrets like this. They're starting to bug me. Everyone pokes fun at people who say this kind of thing for being ~*~*~edgy~*~*~, but I think it's annoying for more than that. It's annoying because it's so completely dishonest. Saying that no human pursuits matter is just an absolute lie - if anyone really believed that, they'd stop pursuing. Maybe that's not exactly it. I don't know. I'll do some thinking and come back.

Gee, F!S, thanks for listening, I really needed to get that off my chest (read as: sorry for tl;dr).

115. I don't really get your secret, I confess, but I really don't see how wanting an awesome BFF is entitlement-laden or anti-feminist... I mean, unless you're like, holding auditions and training people for that role or something...

121. And I think you're a blight upon the world. But see, I don't want to kill you for it.

122. What, because forcing her into a strip tease wasn't enough degradation?

145. I think you're really downplaying a lot of the issues a person who reads and appreciates sex scenes but won't try it might have.

178. I totally agree.

The responses to these secrets have been getting on my nerves. It's not "edgy" to look around you and come to the conclusion that a lot of the world is concerned with a whole lot of bullshit. It's pretty reasonable. It's also pretty normal for teenagers who feel that way, and feel alienated because of it, to latch on to a character like the Joker as a way of expressing and exploring those feelings... Didn't almost anyone who was bullied or just bored to death at school spend a certain amount of time wishing they could just stab various people's eyes out? Uh, maybe I'm projecting there, heh.

I don't think it's even dishonest. For most people it's a phase. For some maybe it's a hint that they could and should look elsewhere to find real meaning.

I think what annoys me about the responses though is that this is a kind of anger that many people feel, and expressing it is good for you. Much better to see a movie and identify with elements of what the Joker says and make a secret about it than to bury it all inside and become incredibly depressed and write awful emo poetry and then kill yourself.

Sounds to me like the secret's OP could do with some therapy, because therapy is a good place to sound off about how awful you think the world is whilst hopefully learning about yourself and gaining some perspective at the same time, not because she's that much more crazy than a few million other people out there.

Eh. tl;dr reply!

The responses to these secrets have been getting on my nerves. It's not "edgy" to look around you and come to the conclusion that a lot of the world is concerned with a whole lot of bullshit. It's pretty reasonable. It's also pretty normal for teenagers who feel that way, and feel alienated because of it, to latch on to a character like the Joker as a way of expressing and exploring those feelings...

This is the exact point I'm trying to make, I think. It's perfectly understandable... but it is still kind of annoying (or maybe frustrating), perhaps because many of us have already been there, done that.

I don't think you're projecting at all. When I say it's dishonest, I mean the idea that the Joker represents is dishonest. The world is built on a pile of bullshit, but it isn't meaningless. To say that you identify with the Joker or somebody and that you care about nothing is dishonest because if you didn't care so much then you wouldn't be reacting so strongly. Does this make any sense? It's hard to describe.

The point is, I think we're basically on the same page here.

Yes, absolutely. I can entirely see identifying with part of what the Joker says. Hopefully people will then realize it's up to them to give life meaning, at least for themselves, and use the strength of their reaction as a strength in seeking out something different.

I guess what annoys me so much about all these "oh, you're so ~edgy~" reactions is that I think it's just a legitimate, and not particularly abnormal, stage to go through. When so much of life is built around telling us to do the normal things, and they seem like bullshit, if your first exposure to a character who throws up their hands and says "bullshit" is the Joker, of course you're going to identify with that, at least for a while.

I think I don't identify with the Joker, but I identify a bit with people who identify with the Joker...particularly if they're still having to ride the bus to high school.

I think it's just a legitimate, and not particularly abnormal, stage to go through

the problem is that THEY think they are being so edgy and cool and they just look like whiny children who think that noooo oooooone understaaaaaaands theeeeeeiiiiir paaaaain.

we do understand where they are coming from. the majority of us FUCKING GREW UP. so maybe they should just get over it and move on with dealing with their lives instead of sitting in their bedrooms and cutting themselves with paper and crooning to Evanescence and Linkin Park.

in short, quite a few of us don't have a great deal of tolerance for bullshit made up emo teenage angst. not all teenagers go through this and quite a bit manufacture it just so that they can be set apart from the crowd and be unique.

you know...like all the other whiny emo teenagers.

Oh, and how do you know what THEY think, and what emo teen angst is "made up"? They're obviously not doing a very good job of setting themselves apart from the crowd and being unique if they're picking things that are so very not unique.

But then the people I knew who were treated as making up their teenage angst turned out to be being abused at home, or suffering from severe mental health problems, and a couple of them killed themselves. So forgive me for giving a shit.

THIS.

*HIGH FIVE*

WORD. Thank you.
Same goes for people who reckon they know when someone is an emo who cuts for 'attention' and when someone cuts for whatever the approved 'real not emo angsty teen cutter' reason is.

Yeah, it annoys me when it's about people who self-injure too, particularly when it goes along with shit like "real cutters keep it a secret!" Yeah, they often try to keep it a secret from people around them IRL, but that's exactly why somewhere like LJ makes a good space for them to talk about it instead of feeling ashamed everywhere they go.

Of course they need some actual therapy, but I don't see what good just piling on the nasty does. And I tend to feel that if someone needs to do something that drastic to get attention, they've been seriously deprived of much needed attention in some area of their life and damn well need some.

The people I knew who were all-out displaying their soooo important teenage angst, turned out to be privileged ungrateful overreacting kids that would proclaim that all Humanity should perish because their crush dumbed them. So forgive me for not giving a shit.

I think you need to get over yourself and what happened in the past.

haha oh wow.
pot, kettle, black.

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