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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-08-24 05:27 pm

[ SECRET POST #597 ]


⌈ Secret Post #597 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[identity profile] annwyd.livejournal.com 2008-08-24 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
107. I'm already seeing crappy Rorschach cosplays, and the hype has only just started.

137. Umm...I think His Dark Materials is overrated in certain intellectual circles (I wish New Scientist didn't fap to it so much because OMG ATHEIST CHILDREN'S FANTASY SCIENTISTS MUST LOVE IT!!!), but it's...not really on the same level of fail as the other two. For that matter, Harry Potter isn't on the same level of fail as the Eragon crap.

But, well. It's been ages since I read HDM, so what do I know.

Edited to add: to be fair, I realize this secret's probably a troll. I mean... "*tosses together a bunch of random popular fantasy series* LOL THEY ALL SUCK" Not exactly subtle there.

188. I think there are some issues with Watchmen, and it's not my favorite comic ever, but...

a) None of the women actually get raped, and none of them go into sex work. (LOL, "sell their bodies." Dumbest turn of phrase ever, but I guess I can't really fault you in particular because it's so common.)
b) You're supposed to think that Rorschach needs a slapping because he's such a drama queen. Which I think ties into one of the real problems of the series--I come away from it with the distinct impression that Alan Moore hated damn near every character he was writing about, with the possible exception of Doctor Manhattan. Personally, I find that the strength of his writing overcomes that, though.
Edited 2008-08-24 21:54 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2008-08-24 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
137 OP

I'm not a troll. As someone who was raised on classical literature, and who was taught to appreciate the nuances of the English language (among others), I find those books to be spectacularly poorly written. The secret is a secret if only because I am friends with a large number of otherwise intelligent people who are under the impression that the books revolutionized English literature.

Besides, if I were a troll, I'd have added Twilight to the list, but as I've never read it (where I have read the others, to my regret) and therefore have no opinion, I left it off.

While you're very correct that HDM is not the same level of fail as HP is not the same level of fail as Eragon, they're all pretty fail, so they all get listed.

[identity profile] relvetica.livejournal.com 2008-08-24 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Everyone who's graduated high school was raised on classical literature.

[identity profile] evil-laugher.livejournal.com 2008-08-25 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Get the fuck over yourself. And no one thinks these books "revolutionized" literature. HP revolutionized children's books, and began a wave of respectability/reemergence of it, but no one has claimed they're the paragon of literature. Do you seriously think you're the only one who's noticed the writing isn't THAT good? And trying to be snooty about fucking children's books and saying, "I lose respect for you" over someone liking them is a bit pathetic. Don't claim you have a "large number of friends" who like them; you know you don't have any friends, lawl.

[identity profile] your-insomnia.livejournal.com 2008-08-25 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
I totally agree. It's children's books! It's meant to educate children about love and justice and give them a sense of belonging. It's not meant to be amazingly well written and psychological...Or maybe they should teach Dostoevsky to kids in 6th grade?

[identity profile] tehlime.livejournal.com 2008-09-10 12:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I completely agree.
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[personal profile] xenoglossy 2008-08-25 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, so just a snob, then.

[identity profile] fenm.livejournal.com 2008-08-24 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
"sell their bodies."Dumbest turn of phrase ever

You don't think prostitution is selling your body? Then what a prostitute selling?

[identity profile] annwyd.livejournal.com 2008-08-25 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Their sexual services.

We don't say that someone who does manual labor is selling their body just because their job is a physical one, so why do we say sex workers are selling their body? It's because we have weird double standards about sex, which are often used to demean and dehumanize women (and the men in this job, but in society as a whole the burden lands mostly on women).

Most prostitution is an unpleasant job ripe for abuse, but talking about it in old-fashioned terms laden with issues doesn't help anyone.