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⌈ Secret Post #597 ⌋

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Okay, then what did you write? As far as I can tell, you say "I get that not liking Maya means you aren't sexist, but I don't actually believe people who say that because they go on to bash other female characters. Oh and also Mylar people are the crazy."

So I said, hmm, I saw reasons not to like her, based on having only seen season 2 (and not season 1) at the behest of some pals. And also, I think that Matt and Mohinder make an adorable fake family, and I don't understand Mylar. I didn't actually feel defensive about it until you replied to me in the manner you did, as I'm not in your fandom.

I'm sorry I wandered into your fandom drama unknowingly, but I don't see any reason to be snide to me and half the other people who replied.

Do you bash the other women? Because if not you're getting overly defensive for pretty much no reason. And if yes, then all your excuses are just that.

I'm just being amused by all the people spazzing about "we just don't like Maya, there's nothing wrong with that", when the secret was about two behaviors in conjunction with one another-- that, granted, occur regularly in the fandom-- not just the one behavior by itself. It makes me think that all the people freaking out really do make snide comments about the other women and are trying to rationalize it to themselves. Also, if you think I'm being mean, you haven't been on this community long enough.

I didn't say you were being mean; I said you were being snide. I also think you're being condescending, by implying that all these people that "misread" your secret are doing so for reasons other than that your secret wasn't clear. Only if one was in Heroes fandom (which 80% of the people reading your secret aren't) might one know that the "snide" comments of which you speak are about sexuality, rather than the way you put it, which is that people making snide comments of any nature have a "problem with female sexuality."

I wasn't being defensive, since not only do I not bash the other women, but I don't think I've ever written anything about Heroes. I was merely pointing out that there were reasons to dislike Maya. If you think making a comment was being defensive, then you know, rock on with that. I didn't feel defensive until you replied to me and called me defensive and said I misread your secret. Now, I'm just irritated with you for your un-earned tone of superiority.

Elsewhere you said that everyone who had a problem with your secret was a Mylar shipper, when I explicitly said that I'm not—to the extent that I am a shipper in a show I don't like much. I could give a shit that Maya fucked Sylar, because I could give a shit about Sylar.

Elsewhere you also said that no one who has a problem with Maya has a problem with the male characters, when I explicitly said in my reply that I had no time for Maya's brother. So please stop putting me in whatever bucket you've got going here.

Again, not in your fandom.

If you're not in the fandom, why are you even responding to the secret?

The secret says "People who bash Maya + people who bash other women = sexist". I'm condescending because a bunch of people did get the point of the secret, and almost everyone else who's responded is so over the top defensive it's hilarious.

I think it's YOU that hasn't been on

fandomsecrets very long. Why post a secret on a multi-fandom board if you only want people who are in the fandom to respond to the secret? That seems to me the entire point of this community. If you don't want non fandomers to reply, why not find/start some Heroes secret community?

I'm still not seeing why you should be condescending to me. I don't think my original statement was defensive; I was just saying that I didn't like Maya much and I wasn't sure what it had to do with Mylar, since I'm not a Mylar shipper. What you might have said was, "I can see you're not in fandom. A lot of the Maya-haters are Mylar shippers and think she'll get in the way of their ship." Until I saw your picture (which I assume is a still from next season?) I didn't know anything about Maya snogging Mohinder. Now, if the entire Mylar thing was a red herring to be obnoxious, then so sorry that I didn't realize it was a joke.

I don't care about Heroes, or Maya, or Mohinder, or Sylar. But I won't be condescended to because I lacked knowledge not in evidence.

As well, one does not have to "be in fandom" proper for something to be educated or well-versed about it. I mean, my fandom is Harry Potter. but I watch a ton of TV and I read a lot. I watch Heroes and have seen every episode, probably twice actually, and while I'm not in Heroes fandom, I can really get behind your thoughts on Maya. She is not a compelling character; nor is Sylar. I don't think I have to be in the Heroes fandom to qualify that opinion as informed or valid.

Icon for the anonymouse.

I know, Anon, this isn't even our Special Thread of Lurve, but I couldn't not comment on this.

Do you bash the other women? Because if not you're getting overly defensive for pretty much no reason.

Talk about batshit fans. This is the second time I've seen you pull this - commenting on someone's calm and reasonable post, trying to get a rise out of them, and then claiming that their defensiveness simply must be due to their deep dark secret sexist tendencies. People are defensive because they know you're trying to unearth something that isn't there.

As I said back in our thread, your need to appear on The Moral High Ground with this sexism thing is extremely ridiculous when one considers what a pretentious bitch you're being to the people who actually exist.

LOL late, but jesus. The secret was pretty clear.

The fact that people kept going "Well, I like OTHER WOMEN, therefore I'm not sexist about Maya" made me roll my eyes. Because the secret makes it very clear that in that case I'm not talking about you. I'm accusing you and her of being overly defensive, because either you wanted to read something into the secret that wasn't there or... something. I'm not sure why, if someone doesn't make snide remarks about the other female characters, they would get annoyed at me pointing out that making snide remarks about other female characters in a post about hating Maya makes you not look particularly female-friendly.

It's not about the moral high ground. It's about a secret that was pretty simple, the point of which three or four people consistently missed.

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