[ SECRET POST #4342 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4342 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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03. [SPOILERS for Daredevil season 3]

[Wilson Fisk/Vanessa Mariana]


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05. [SPOILERS for Shameless (US)]



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06. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who season 11, episode 3 - "Rosa"]



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07. [SPOILERS for House of Cards]

[Robin Wright as Claire Underwood]


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08. [WARNING for discussion of non-con]

[Die Hard]


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09. [WARNING for discussion of child/spousal abuse]

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Comments

[fscom]

06. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who season 11, episode 3 - "Rosa"]
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[silverr]

... that's a very good point.

[(Anonymous)]

Time travel storylines will almost never actually make sense if you think about them for five minutes, especially in Who.

So, you're not wrong, but I also kind of think it's honestly better if they don't even bother trying to make it make sense. It seems like it's hard to do that without making the plot / character elements worse, and they usually fail at the time travel stuff anyway.

[kamino_neko]

They weren't standing there, watching Dr King get shot. The fact that they couldn't do anything about it wouldn't be as visceral as watching Parks getting arrested - and may not have even occurred to anyone except the Doctor. Time travel isn't really something the human brain instinctively grasps.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't buy this at all. Changing history and the possible repercussions of one's actions is one of the main issues that always comes up with people talk about time travel. Not being physically there at the moment doesn't preclude the possibility of warning Dr. King about his eventual assassination (or more accurately, being upset that they can't warn him about what's going to happen), and I don't believe that it's a question that would never cross an intelligent person's mind.

[kamino_neko]

'Immediacy' has a huge effect on human psychology.

They've already been told that they can't change history. Without the visceral immediacy of it, they won't suddenly be thinking 'but what if yes'.

Again, they're linear humans. 'Martin Luther King is assassinated' is something that happened in the past for them. 'But time travel' doesn't change that - again, without the event happening right in front of them, it's nothing but an abstract idea, not a concrete truth.

Either it wouldn't occur to them to think they'd be able to change the past, or it would be easier to remind themselves that they knew that they were already told they couldn't.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope, sorry, still not buying it. It's human nature to worry and struggle over things they cannot change. Problems don't always vanish from our minds just because they're no longer in front of our faces. When humans are told they can't do something, they don't all go, "Welp, that's it then, I'll take your word for it 100% and I won't think about it anymore." It IS human nature to think "but what if yes"! I honestly don't even know what species you're describing, but it doesn't sound like humans at all. Certainly not the ones with major roles in Doctor Who.


It doesn't make sense to argue that MLK's assassination doesn't occur to them as a problem because it's in the past when... they're in the past, MLK is alive and literally in front of them and Rosa Parks is in a very similar position and yet they care a great deal about her situation. What happened in the episode was not, IMO, logical human behavior applied to characterization, it was the writers wanting to focus on Rosa Parks and not MLK, so they're just going to... well, focus on Rosa Parks and kind of handwave over the whole MLK assassination topic.

[(Anonymous)]

You're telling me that people from Earth... who are now traveling in a magic police box with a magic person who does crazy amazing things all the time... who have just traveled back to a different place and time... are NOT going to think "but what if yes" for any given situation? They're living "but what if yes" every single day they're in the TARDIS, flying through space and time.

It's also hilarious and ironic that you're positing this on FANDOM secrets when fandom simply wouldn't exist without millions of people thinking "but what if yes". Hell, no art or inventions would exist if human beings weren't evolved to think "but what if yes" in all sorts of unlikely and improbably situations, including whatever device you're currently using to access the internet. Immediacy and immediate problems might circumvent that tendency for brief periods of time, but there's no way it's going to kill a creative, smart person's ability to think, speculate and use their imagination the way you're suggesting it does.

[sparklywalls]

Doctor Who has regularly played fast and loose with what is and isn't ok in past scenarios and often contradicts itself. I try to comfort myself with this thought whenever I have a moment of "why X when Y happened?" and I feel a bit better.

But I guess it is different when you're the companion directly interacting with an event that is immediate from your POV Vs an event that hasn't happened yet even in that part of the timeline.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen this but just because something worse has happened, is happening, or might/will happen doesn't mean you shouldn't feel bad about the bad things happening immediately around you, and just because you feel bad about the bad thing happening in front of you doesn't mean you aren't aware there are worse things and don't care and have no sense of perspective.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, but I'm not sure the same moral logic would apply if you had a box that could instantly traverse all of time and space.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

... that's not what the secret says at all? It doesn't say anything about how people shouldn't feel bad about X because of Y?

Why would they?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I understand how MLK, Jr. being assassinated is tragic and related to the civil rights movement, but it was 13 years from then. I wouldn't necessarily expect something set around the Stonewall riots to have mention of Harvey Milk's assassination.

Re: Why would they?

[(Anonymous)]

Probably because MLK appears in the episode, Ryan has a very personal big-wow reaction because he knows who MLK is and what he stands for and then... nothing.

[(Anonymous)]

Wouldn't doing something about Dr. King have caused a tear in space and resulted in Reapers appearing like they did in Father's Day?

[(Anonymous)]

That's what I was thinking too. It's likely one of those set in stone things that can't be changed without serious repercussions.

[(Anonymous)]

True, but that's not any different from the idea of changing Rosa Park's arrest.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Sure but the issue wasn't "why don't they DO something" it was "why doesn't anyone mention or seem to care about this horrible thing that's going to happen to ANOTHER one of the incredibly important, huge figures in the civil rights movement they just met"?

[(Anonymous)]

Ryan was the one who met MLK and he was...not the best on his US Civil Rights history (which is fair enough for a British character). He might not even have made the connection.

[(Anonymous)]

Can someone please explain to me why the reapers didn’t appear in ‘The Waters of Mars’ tho.

[(Anonymous)]

Unless I'm misremembering something - history doesn't actually change in Waters of Mars, does it? The Doctor tries to change it but fails.

[(Anonymous)]

It was more than likely because Rosa was the focus of the episode.

[ayebydan]

I get your point OP but this mindset is not common in Who canon. Also the companions are very aware that they need to get out of there asap because they inadvertently make things worse in each place they land. Plus King is assassinated over a decade later. It was not possible for them to do anything at that point. But, no reason they could not revisit that plot point later in the season or next when the penny drops.