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⌈ Secret Post #4343 ⌋

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[morieris]

It's never subtle.

[(Anonymous)]

It is never, ever subtle, it's like they're not even trying

[(Anonymous)]

Judeo-Christian isn't a thing. Just say Christian, dawg.

[(Anonymous)]

ehhhhhhh

There's definitely some times when it's a useful, relevant category but I get that it's frustrating because it mostly ends up being used for political purposes where it actually isn't relevant

just one of those things

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

no times

it is not a thing

it is a weasel phrase people say to avoid including Islam

we'd say Abrahamic if we meant what people think Judeo-Christian means

and there is no heckin' Judeo in basically anything the label goes on

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

we'd say Abrahamic if we meant what people think Judeo-Christian means

I personally think of those as basically synonymous terms. So if someone is using Judeo-Christian to mean that, I don't think they're incorrect.

I agree that the primary purpose of the phrase in contemporary political discourse is to say "Christian" in a more covert way

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Are you just looking for a reason to be pissed off?

[(Anonymous)]

Why, when the issue is monotheism and dogma? Judaism surely applies, too.

[(Anonymous)]

monotheism: yes

dogma: no

the jewish approach to the text, belief, works, etc is completely different from the christian idea of dogma/doctrine. judaism has no centralized authority, places minimal importance on "faith" or personal relationtionships with the divine, and is concerned with behavior more than dogma. Qhile protestants exist now, the model for "the important thing about religion is having faith and correct beliefs" set by the papacy for 1000 years is still critical to the vast majority of christian communities and to christian interpretive thought,

and the Islamic hybrid revelatory/legal criticism tradition is somewhere in between them. Christianity and Islam, as proselytizing religions with major salvific and afterlife-centric elements of their theology revolving around professing faith have far more in common than either of those two have with judaism. And islam, with the specific duties of the 5 pillars and the argumentative traditions of the legal schools, has more in common with judaism than christianity does.

judeo-christian is a thing that christians and cultural christians want to say either to give christianity antiquity points by association, or to feel inclusive/sound PC/sound not-sectarian while actually only talking about christian ideas and practices, and just assuming out of ignorance that they apply in judaism too, because they're both monotheistic and it's ~the same god~ and the torah is "the jewish bible" right? (no)

And/or because they consider jews white enough to be worth of lip service inclusion.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah tell that to Orthodox Jews lol

[(Anonymous)]

Judeo-Christian is absolutely a thing, no matter if you object to it or not.

[(Anonymous)]

This is probably because epic fantasy isn't actually a very good genre

But you didn't hear it from me

[(Anonymous)]

There is no genre of fiction that is inherently and/or objectively good or bad; a story in any genre has the possibility of being a good work of fiction. Genres tend to end up associated with a slew of specific tropes, in my experience, meaning one is more likely to end up with certain story or type of story, but that's not necessarily the genre's fault.

Granted, the majority of what's available in epic fantasy isn't good, but the vast majority of what's available overall isn't good.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually-existing epic fantasy has serious and deeply-rooted problems from a literary point of view in a way that's not true for every genre - admittedly, largely because its target demographic is fundamentally not very interested in literary quality, but that doesn't make it untrue.

[(Anonymous)]

IA, but to be fair it's hard for most people to create an entire religion from scratch and have it make sense and not sound like a ripoff of an existing religion somewhere.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, usually they're ripping off nothing so much as Dungeons & Dragons, is the annoying thing. Unimaginative.

[(Anonymous)]

DA. I was gonna say. I haven't read epic fantasy in a while, but most of what I remember was more copy-paste 'pagan' pantheons that straight-up advertised their alignment chart.

[(Anonymous)]

You're not wrong, but there are literally dozens of templates to choose from, and yet the lazy lazy choice of thinly disguising Christianity shows up over and over again, as if it's the only valid choice, which is weird and creepy

[(Anonymous)]

I find it lazy and lacking in imagination. Not sure where the weird/creepy part comes in. Most of the epic fantasy on the market is from western countries, and Christianity is one of the most common religions in those countries. People who lazily rip things off tend to rip off the familiar.

[(Anonymous)]

I like the stuff by Guy Gavriel Kay that I've read, where the religions are intended to be fictionalized versions of real-world religions and not fictional religions that bear a suspicious resemblance to real-world religions.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. The worst example I've seen straight-up copied the Greek gods but named them after Celtic gods.

[(Anonymous)]

That is both baffling and hilarious

[(Anonymous)]

That basically happened irl, but reversed, lol. When the Roman empire would try to equate local deities with their own.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe a majority of fantasy authors are of a Christian background and it's a matter of 1) writing what they know, and 2) if they base their fantasy religion too closely on a different religion, people might get offended and say they are just exploiting that religion or something.