[ SECRET POST #4345 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4345 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Sorry for the exceptionally late, thought I'd already posted this today! At least it'll be here for everybody in the morning.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Personally I'm convinced that much of the Kylo-defending is because people think he's hot so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[philstar22]

Nope. And I'm not actually defending him. He's an evil person. I'm just saying he's equally evil as Vader was. None of Vader's background justified anything he did either. But I believe in redemption and I think that Kylo can be redeemed. Doesn't mean that anything he's done is okay. And personally, rather than going for a redemption equals death story again, I hope he lives and has to actually atone for what he's done and stand trial and everything.

[(Anonymous)]

Vader was absolutely an evil sadistic fucko but when offered the chance for redemption by a family member he just met, with his lifelong master standing mere feet away, he took it.

Kylo was offered the chance for redemption in a one-on-one faceoff by a loving (if flawed) father and stabbed him through the heart. You have to actually TRY to be redeemed, imo.

[philstar22]

Yes, you do have to try. But one rejection of a redemption opportunity doesn't mean you are forever barred from redemption for the rest of your life. I genuinely believe anyone can redeemed. Okay, not Palpatine or Snoke, because they are the devil figures, and you can't redeem the devil. But anyone else, sure. Heck, if the story was right, I could even buy Hux being redeemed.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying he's barred forever--I'm saying it's basically impossible to redeem someone who doesn't /want/ to be redeemed. As of now, he's on a track to become the next "devil figure", and I'll believe a redemption arc when I actually see evidence of one existing.

Anyone can be redeemed, sure, but it's not a given thing just because a character has a sad backstory.

[philstar22]

Never said it was. I don't know what direction they are going to go with for Episode VIX. Maybe they'll redeem him, maybe they won't. As long as it is a compelling story, I don't care either way. All I'm saying is that it isn't impossible.

[(Anonymous)]

I just wanted to thank you for all your reasoned and nuanced comments in this thread. (Honestly, the more I poke at Skywalker family dynamics, the more I think that all Snoke had to do with Ben was sit back and flavor his popcorn with everyone's tears. And I say this as someone who loves the Skywalker family. ALL OF THEM.)

[philstar22]

I think people look at the original characters through rose colored glasses. I love all of them, but there is no chance whatsoever that they were going to be a perfect, happy, well-adjusted family. Ever. They all had serious issues.

[(Anonymous)]

https://metamashina.com/2018/01/08/kill-the-king-and-take-the-crown-kylo-ren-rey-and-usurper-holy-mother/

https://ohtze.tumblr.com/post/145166888033/redemption-arcs-and-why-you-should-be-prepared-for-pain

Few meta post that in my opinion reflect the story of the SW movies beautifully - and yes, why everything I've seen on screen points to the fact that Kylo will be redeemed.