[ SECRET POST #4355 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4355 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's because I'm only a casual fan and haven't read the extended universe books, etc. but... Snoke's death was a surprise because it didn't seem like the films made much use of his character before killing him off? It felt like a waste.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing that confuses me about this is that I'm not sure *what* is actually being wasted?

[(Anonymous)]

Well yes, that was sort of my point. Character death ought to have a narrative significance to it when it's a single character that's the focus of the scene. But when you kill off an underdeveloped villain, that has less of an impact.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess my point is that I felt it had the impact and significance it needed

[(Anonymous)]

I see. That's a rather different thing than your comment said.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see how? If Snoke did everything he needed to do, then it follows that he wasn't wasted

[(Anonymous)]

To you, perhaps. I'm not sure it follows that *I* cannot feel differently.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. Presumably, that would involve disagreeing with one or the other of the things I said.

[(Anonymous)]

Which I do, and stated as such from the very beginning.

[(Anonymous)]

the impact of that event/scene isn't "omg snoke, the cool and terrifying villain, is dead"

the impact is "omg Kylo Ren, the tortured unhinged self-absorbed abuse victim just fucking murdered the dude who psychically groomed him for years, now he's still unhinged and self-absorbed but he's grabbing agency with both fists let's see what he fucking does with it"

I feel like "he isn't developed enough to kill, we should develop him more and THEN kill him off," when the series already has several villains + the heroes making huge mistakes that are their own worst enemy, is sort of a weird reverse sunk cost fallacy

live!Snoke added less to the story than dead!snoke does, and that's okay because he's not the villain we're actually engaged with

[(Anonymous)]

I could see the argument for this take, but I think it'd be more powerful if we'd seen more of Snoke's psychic grooming.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, ditto. It’s not like I liked Snoke and wanted to see more of his character, but the psychic grooming thing didn’t really show in the films that much. It would’ve been cool if Kylo Ren, idk, hallucinated conversations with Vader that the audience was shown were actually with Snoke or something. It’s not grooming exactly if Kylo Ren knew Snoke was doing it.

[(Anonymous)]

Oooh, that would have been SO good.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT—I don’t like Kylo Ren, and that’s putting it mildly. But at least part of the reason is the films did a piss-poor job of fleshing out his character and history, including what Snoke’s abuse entailed. Kylo throws a lot of tantrums, idolizes Darth Vader, and in TLJ Snoke is a smug patronizing fucker to him. I’m predisposed to woobify and sympathize with villains, and even I was repulsed rather than intrigued by Kylo. If he was supposed to be sympathetic he should’ve had more to him than brooding and tantrums, and the films should’ve shown Snoke being a better puppeteer and worse creeper.

[(Anonymous)]

Ayrt - yeah, same. I usually love villains and find them fascinating, but Kylo just wasn't compelling for me because he just came across as a brat given what we were actually shown.

[(Anonymous)]

That would've been great to see!

[(Anonymous)]

the impact is "omg Kylo Ren, the tortured unhinged self-absorbed abuse victim just fucking murdered the dude who psychically groomed him for years, now he's still unhinged and self-absorbed but he's grabbing agency with both fists let's see what he fucking does with it"

live!Snoke added less to the story than dead!snoke does, and that's okay because he's not the villain we're actually engaged with

This. So much this. All of this.