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[ SECRET POST #4357 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4357 ⌋

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I'm sure that's technically true, but I wouldn't take anything that a company says in a press release without a huge grain of salt, and I'm sure that even if Netflix does own the show, Disney can make it difficult for them to actually exploit those shows.

So...instead of actual words from Netflix saying so, you are just going to ignore that because "SCARY DISNEY!!!!"

Okay.

It's a press release, so no, I'm not going to take it at face value.

Oh look! Here is another source where both people from Netflix AND Marvel say that Netflix owns the series.

https://screenrant.com/disney-netflix-marvel-tv-shows-cancel/

If one official statement didn't convince me, why did you think a second one would

Sorry, forgot how hard it is to penetrate tin foil hats.

Why believe evidence when Disney is a money-grubberrrrrr?!?!?!?!

I forgot we live in the age of feels > facts.

More like, instead of trusting the bland, PR-friendly wording of a press release, they're going to acknowledge that there's a lot of show business decisions that are not discussed with the general public and it's really naive to think otherwise.

protip: netflix can be just as shitty as disney. not every bad thing is disney's fault.

True. Netflix is not a hero, and not everything is Disney's fault.

But when you look at what's in the financial interest of both parties, it seems like Disney has a much stronger financial incentive for these shows to go away, and Netflix has a stronger incentive for them to stick around. And to the extent that Netflix has an incentive to take them down, that's still primarily in response to Disney's actions in the space of putting together their own streaming service. So it seems to me that Disney is probably playing some role in driving these decisions, whatever they say.

And even then, that's not bad in itself. But when you put it into the broad context that this is part of corporate consolidation in the entertainment space, and the fact that Disney is one of the major actors driving that, it's no good. No good for anyone buyt Disney.

No, they don't. The Marvel shows cost a lot of money. Like...a lot. And they don't make any money. The Marvel shows are not nearly as popular as people on here seem to think.

Again, Netflix has been purging content that they do not make themselves. Unless you think that Disney is also the reason they canceled American Vandal?

it's like when everyone here was outraged that they cancelled Forever and renewed Galavant on ABC despite the fact that Forever was a property split between ABC and WB so the rights were more expensive and it wasn't a dogfight between the two shows to begin with.

Netflix cancelling shows does not mean it HAS to be related to Disney's streaming service. the two things can be mutually exclusive.

Netflix cancelling shows does not mean it HAS to be related to Disney's streaming service. the two things can be mutually exclusive.

This is, undeniably, a logically true statement

"They don't make any money" is an extremely weird thing to say about any Netflix show, given what their business model is. Even before we get into how opaque their finances are. Did the Marvel Netflix shows help draw and keep subscribers? I don't know the answer to that, I fundamentally can't answer that, I don't have the information on their popularity.

But if they did draw any subscribers, that effect would diminish significantly in the near future due to Disney's decisions. We do know that Netflix advertised and promoted the shows like they were generally part of their business plans. And we do know that, even if you think Netflix had a good reason to cancel the shows, Disney had a much stronger motivation for doing so.

So to me, those are strong reasons to think that Disney might have had some influence on the decision. And your argument against that idea seems to mostly be that you're angry that other people are maligning Disney.

Again, Netflix has been purging content that they do not make themselves. Unless you think that Disney is also the reason they canceled American Vandal?

The reason that they're purging content that they don't make themselves is because they're worried about their partners starting their own streaming services and pulling content off Netflix as a result. Easily the most significant and impactful incident of this trend is Disney's planned streaming service. So, obviously it's not Disney's fault that Netflix cancelled American Vandal, but I'm not sure it helps your case, either.

The reason that they're purging content that they don't make themselves is because they're worried about their partners starting their own streaming services and pulling content off Netflix as a result. Easily the most significant and impactful incident of this trend is Disney's planned streaming service. So, obviously it's not Disney's fault that Netflix cancelled American Vandal, but I'm not sure it helps your case, either.

so netflix is cancelling everything that isn't theirs alone just because the people who do make them might one day somehow start their own streaming service? are you even fucking serious right now?

The crazy thing is...they are. It is hilarious.

what's your explanation

netflix is, now bear with me, a big grown-up company that makes its own decision sometimes, based on its own decisions alone.

Of course. But they also probably have some reasons for their decision - some reason for thinking that it would be in their financial interest. It seems unlikely that the shows that are underperforming for them just happen to be the ones that they make with external partners. On the other hand, it seems to make sense that Netflix would want to own as much of their own content as possible, as other content producers move towards creating their own streaming platforms and becoming direct competitors with Netflix.

That doesn't make Netflix victims, or morally right, or anything. I just think it's the most likely explanation for their behavior. I really have no idea what you're even saying at this point tbh, or what you think is happening

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You're right, I was completely wrong to even imply that Netflix was innocent. Oh wait, I never said anything of the kind... *shakes head*

you made it clear you believe disney is the villain so gosh

Where? Quote where I said Disney is the villain or that Netflix was innocent. My first comment in this thread was this:

https://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1926663.html?thread=1008087559#cmt1008087559

You seem pretty invested in defending Disney, but you're seeing anti-Disney bogeymen in every comment and that simply doesn't match with reality.

lmao you are precious

So you've got nothing, then?

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