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fandomsecrets2018-12-09 03:51 pm
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It's Tumblr's own damn fault, really. People FOR YEARS had been complaining about a couple of things:
-- The avalanche of pornbots that would randomly follow blogs (I once blocked about a dozen across a single hour). Reporting them seemed to do nothing.
-- The random appearance of child porn in the tags. It never happened to me, but ask but I know plenty of people in fandom where this DID happen to them.
-- Problems with harassment. Tumblr was sucktastic at dealing with complaints about on-line harassment and bullying.
-- White supremecist/fascism posts showing up randomly in tags, which DID happen to me a couple of time. Blocked and reported. But as far as I know, it all went into a big black hole and nothing was done.
Supposedly, Tumblr was putting together a plan to deal with the first two points (but only because Verizon was making them), but as far as I can tell, nothing about the last two points.
Then Tumblr went into panic mode when Apple dumped their App from the Apple store and pulled the trigger on their plans. Clearly, the plan was not near ready to be implemented based on some of the strange shit that's been tagged. Not to mention, it seems to be mostly automated with limited human oversight, which is how you have a googly-eyed Garfield gettng mistaken for "female presenting breasts."
Now that part where you MAY have a point (the key word is: MAY) is that there is some suspicion that certain factions of antis in certain fandoms are abusing the system by falsely reporting blogs they don't like. Again, that part is rumor. Given how fucked up the Tumblr auto-flagging system is, it could be mostly false.
I'm not entirely sure the so-called SJWs (rolls eyes at the term) are necessarily going on mass reporting sprees, since I generally see them as a separate group from the antis.
What I'm saying is, I highly doubt the user base had much, if any, influence on Tumblr's plans to clean up its act by spaying a whole lot of gasoline around the place and employing a flamethrower. That change was coming, not because the user base demanded it, but because other corporate entities (internal and external) brought pressure to bear.
The user base complained about some of these issues for years and even proposed some solutions, but all they got was crickets. But now that money is on the line from corporate big-boys, they're going overboard to address the problems to the point that innocent bystanders are affected.
This last sentence? THAT's the part that should piss you off.
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Maybe because I didn't go randomly hunting in tags? I dunno. I made a Tumblr and followed people for the pretty; pretty pictures of Portugal, the ocean, and my fandom favorites. And unless the Tumblr owner started posting a lot of private 'state of me' stuff, or started posting a lot of a fandom/person I didn't like or had no interest in...my Tumblr was what I choose for it to be.
I guess i was using it differently than a lot of people? But really - i just have no clue how all this stuff happened to so many people (and, again - not saying it didn't, just boggled about it).
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The pornbot follow avalanche would happen every time I posted something original. Not reblogs or likes. I might get one or two a month in that case. But posting something original? YIKES! It got to the point that I stopped posting entirely because I didn't want to deal with it.
I never stumbled across child porn myself because my fandom tags were tightly currated and NONE of them involved a YA fandom or a fandom aimed at young 'uns. My understanding is that the child porn stuff would show up in tags for fandom things that targeted YA. At least, that's the impression I get from people.
The white supremecist stuff tended to show up in the 'Community" tag. As a result, a lot of Community fandom started adding more specific tags, like "Community_NBC" or "Community_TV" to drill it down to the fandom, and that did seem to work.
So, I think you're very much right, at least for stumbling across stuff in the tags. It kind of comes down to tightly controlling tags and currating your expereience. Not much of a problem for fandom oldsters like you and me because we've been around the block a few times. But for young 'uns with limited experience in fandom or complete fandom no0bs? Yeah. That's going to come as a bit of a shock.
I liken it to my own young 'un days in fandom, where the only way to get your hands on fanfiction was to actually BUY fanzines (internet did not exist). There were more than a few times that I bought fanzines and conventions (where I was CLEARLY under 18), only to take them home and find out they were PORN, PORN, PORN, PORN and not at all what they were advertized on the tin.
I wasn't traumatized or anything, but when you're going through puberty and everything is embarassing, it made me gun-shy about fandom participation until there was an Internet that allowed me to currate my own experience. Yes, even in the wild, ugly days of Usenet, it WAS possible to do that.
The pornbots, though. Those were a plague. And it seems like once you got on the radar of one, you got on a radar of a lot of them.
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I really only used tags to blacklist stuff. Certain actors, 'ships, etc., that i wasn't interested in, and a couple people who posted amazingly uninteresting and way-to-frequent navel-gazing stuff between fandom posts that, lucky for me, that tagged in some way that made it easy to blacklist.
I'm not *quite* as old as all that - although, actually, i guess I *am*, i just had no clue fanfic and fanzines existed, and didn't find out about them until i was online (in the early early nineties). And then, heh, i was deliberately *looking* for porn of any kind, m/m porn specifically, because i was sick of m/f stuff *and* sick of the gay characters in 'pro' fic always dying, being unhappy, or being alone.
I did use tags on Tumblr a couple times to attempt to find some x-rated m/m fanart, and...almost nothing turned up, which was so very weird.
It's a pity that 'the internet is for porn' and yet, so many people are out there shoving porn into places it doesn't need to be. There are *so many places* you can go get porn, please get the fuck out of my gorgeous photos of Lisbon on a rainy spring morning! (or, you know, whathaveyou....)
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(Anonymous) 2018-12-10 12:31 am (UTC)(link)Theoretically, it should be possible to build a dedicated porn site that incorporates the good features of Tumblr, but it would be really expensive (because you have to pay for all the image and video hosting) and no one's done it and it would probably get taken over by porn bots and dudebros anyway.
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I did look in on a couple very pretty, explict-but-not-xxx Tumblrs with bondage images and/or nudes (and a couple super-explict, xxx pages, too). The tags were always extremely explicit to what you were seeing, never anything weird or random.
So, some people seemed to manage it, and maybe it was only because they kept a tight rein on things and/or tags? I really don't know.
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I mean, I'm not opposed to porn on Tumblr (in general, I mean), and for me it was a case of just not wanting it on my feed in case I'm scrolling through on my phone in a public place.
That is the thing that was so mystifying. I never did porn searches on Tumblr because I didn't want a porn search algorithm attached to my user name. Not that it helped. Sheesh.
Still not sure how I got nailed by pornbots like I did. By the time I started using Tumblr I was only somewhat active in fandom, and Community wasn't a terribly big fandom at that. So my profile was not all that big. I could understand if I was a BNF or even an MNF (middle-name fan) even in a small-ish fandom, but I wasn't. Just pretty much a minimally active fan. Go figure.
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I'd be surprised if they were all still there? Unless the 'Tumblr Purge' is just scattershot and weird. I'm not clicking on anything to find out, though, heh.
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I used to come across unexpected porn in the few tags I browse. Like...porn fanart okay whatever (adults). But it was the ones that was like a picture of a character with a bunch of random tags and a link that said something like, "click here for horny teens" or whatever the fuck that I would block so I didn't have to see again that would annoy me.
And I'm talking like...a perfectly legit official photo or screenshot of like Obi-Wan Kenobi with a huge paragraph of tags and then some link presumably going to a porn site (I never clicked). That was pretty prominent for a while though I haven't seen it recently.
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(Anonymous) 2018-12-10 07:10 am (UTC)(link)no subject
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(Anonymous) 2018-12-13 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)Main account, more followers. Nothing porn related. Mention fuck as in "fuck tumblr" in a tag or asexuality (any tag with word sex) and 9 times out of 10 a pornbot would follow. And some of the profile shots and the avatars were explicit. Animated avatars of penis being shoved in and out of vagina explicit. I saw more porn on my 'clean' main blog. So unless you only blog at a pre-teen level with zero mention of sexuality and no swearing, it's hard not to get hit with bots.
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Sometimes some very pretty nudes, but not xxx nudes. Nothing original, it was just for reblogs.
*shrug*
I never knew or cared who followed me, never had any alerts set up to tell me. I went and looked the other day, and I guess some are porn/porn bots that are following me? But the avatar images are tiny, and I don't care enough to click on them.
I follow shipping stuff on my Tumbler, so a lot of slash and/or the stupid portmanteau names, but still - no unexpected xxx stuff.
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(Anonymous) 2018-12-10 02:09 am (UTC)(link)